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| I am not looking for a minor revamp. In reality we are only striving for the top four because of the funding to help us be competitive the following season, as we simply do not generate enough cash ourselves to do so. Not that anyone really believes we will ever get back in to SL.
I want the leadership of our sport to establish a plan that will benefit the sport as a whole from top to bottom.....however I am more likely to win the lottery, and I never buy a ticket!
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| Have enjoyed the Super 8s format, but ultimately promotion is a false dream for Fax at this stage. Until a big money man comes along SL it's not really likely, and we're kidding ourselves otherwise.
Bring back the Northern Rail Cup and let's have another day out - am all for that.
Doesn't mean we can't continue to grow as a club and move forward with the good work with the reserves etc. Am not sure SL is the promised land it's made out to be.
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| So will they have a top 4/6/8 playoff to get to the top 2 playoff?
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| Two up and Two down would have been better - with the top team in the Championship going up automatically and maybe 2 v 3 playing each other in a kind of (but not as lucrative I would imagine) - Million Pound Game - from a FAX POV nowt much has changed , best to build slowly towards SL - wage bill would have to treble for a start.
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| Quote ="Faxfan1999"Two up and Two down would have been better - with the top team in the Championship going up automatically and maybe 2 v 3 playing each other in a kind of (but not as lucrative I would imagine) - Million Pound Game - from a FAX POV nowt much has changed , best to build slowly towards SL - wage bill would have to treble for a start.'"
That would put two SL sides down each year. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas do they?
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| Hammer Nail Head come to mind HS.The Door of promotion to the Promised Land has been left slightly ajar to give misplaced hope to the deluded
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| Two key points for me.1. The RFL and SL need to stop moving the goalposts on this topic as it is a total turn off for potential commercial sponsors and spectators if you have no idea what the competition metrics are. 2. As far as Halifax RLFC are considered we need to build on the gathering momentum and stop thinking about it being an achievement just to get in top 8's this year- but to actually do something in that 8's stage as well and b) for next season get in that top two and have that as our strategy and mission now and plan for that according. Success breeds success and accepting mediocrity brings exactly that-mediocrity.
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| Top team up, 2nd place plays 2nd to bottom in Million Pound game.
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| Quote ="bentleyman"Hammer Nail Head come to mind HS.The Door of promotion to the Promised Land has been left slightly ajar to give misplaced hope to the deluded'"
I take your point but at least it is better than the closed shop, restraint of trade, what's the point, let's move the goal posts, Franchise system we had before this.
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| Quote ="Living The Dream"Two key points for me.1. The RFL and SL need to stop moving the goalposts on this topic as it is a total turn off for potential commercial sponsors and spectators if you have no idea what the competition metrics are. 2. As far as Halifax RLFC are considered we need to build on the gathering momentum and stop thinking about it being an achievement just to get in top 8's this year- but to actually do something in that 8's stage as well and b) for next season get in that top two and have that as our strategy and mission now and plan for that according. Success breeds success and accepting mediocrity brings exactly that-mediocrity.'"
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| The questions I'd be asking would be
1. Who gave 12 $uper£eague clubs the authority to decide there'll be no $uper Eights ?
2. How many games will we be playing next season and what's the format ?
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Looks remarkably like the power grab by (some of) the SL clubs hinted at a few weeks ago by Lenagan whilst there is a power vacuum at The RFL following Wood's departure. There is supposedly a review of the structure going on involving parties from all levels of the 'pro' game that seems to have been simply ignored when making the announcement. As Kevin Nicholas, the Batley Chairman says [i'war looms'[/i.
Gary Hetherington also appears unimpressed: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2018/06/12/ ... ue-format/
[i"Today’s announcement regarding plans for next season appear to be an absurd grab for power for the game by a small group of men who think they own the game.
Leeds Rhinos are not party to this and are totally against the creation of a separate Super League executive. Super League clubs voted 7 to 5 at our last meeting on some key issues related to promotion and relegation.
The game is in need of strong leadership from Brian Barwick and his Board of Directors at the Rugby Football League, the games governing body, and this announcement should bring a response from everyone connected with the game."[/i
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Looks remarkably like the power grab by (some of) the SL clubs hinted at a few weeks ago by Lenagan whilst there is a power vacuum at The RFL following Wood's departure. There is supposedly a review of the structure going on involving parties from all levels of the 'pro' game that seems to have been simply ignored when making the announcement. As Kevin Nicholas, the Batley Chairman says [i'war looms'[/i.
Gary Hetherington also appears unimpressed: https://www.therhinos.co.uk/2018/06/12/ ... ue-format/
[i"Today’s announcement regarding plans for next season appear to be an absurd grab for power for the game by a small group of men who think they own the game.
Leeds Rhinos are not party to this and are totally against the creation of a separate Super League executive. Super League clubs voted 7 to 5 at our last meeting on some key issues related to promotion and relegation.
The game is in need of strong leadership from Brian Barwick and his Board of Directors at the Rugby Football League, the games governing body, and this announcement should bring a response from everyone connected with the game."[/i
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The RFL respond:
www.rugby-league.com/article/526 ... lph-rimmer
We are delighted to welcome Robert Elstone back into the sport as Chief Executive of Super League (Europe), he will undoubtedly be an asset to the game. Robert is a talented administrator, is clearly passionate about Rugby League and we very much look forward to working with him as we all look to grow our sport.
The Super League is a fantastic competition and as the premier competition of this sport should obviously play a key role in leading and shaping the future of it.
[i"The Rugby Football League has been in discussions with representatives of the Super League since the turn of the year. We have been in regular and broadly constructive meetings with them and Championship and League 1 clubs about potential changes that could strengthen our sport going forward.
We would like to make clear that these discussions are still ongoing. No binding decisions have been made across a range of issues, including competition structure, but progress is being made. Further meetings are expected to take place between all parties in due course.
As would be expected the Rugby Football League Board has played a leading role in all of these discussions and will continue to do so. Our ambition, as the sport’s governing body, is to have the strongest Super League possible whilst also ensuring all other elements of the game have the opportunity to flourish.
We too are determined that the sport of Rugby League grows its profile and maximises its appeal to take advantage of the huge opportunity of hosting the Rugby League World Cup in 2021."
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www.rugby-league.com/article/526 ... lph-rimmer
We are delighted to welcome Robert Elstone back into the sport as Chief Executive of Super League (Europe), he will undoubtedly be an asset to the game. Robert is a talented administrator, is clearly passionate about Rugby League and we very much look forward to working with him as we all look to grow our sport.
The Super League is a fantastic competition and as the premier competition of this sport should obviously play a key role in leading and shaping the future of it.
[i"The Rugby Football League has been in discussions with representatives of the Super League since the turn of the year. We have been in regular and broadly constructive meetings with them and Championship and League 1 clubs about potential changes that could strengthen our sport going forward.
We would like to make clear that these discussions are still ongoing. No binding decisions have been made across a range of issues, including competition structure, but progress is being made. Further meetings are expected to take place between all parties in due course.
As would be expected the Rugby Football League Board has played a leading role in all of these discussions and will continue to do so. Our ambition, as the sport’s governing body, is to have the strongest Super League possible whilst also ensuring all other elements of the game have the opportunity to flourish.
We too are determined that the sport of Rugby League grows its profile and maximises its appeal to take advantage of the huge opportunity of hosting the Rugby League World Cup in 2021."
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| I've just read Mark Campbell, Featherstone's chairman's view on this. It's on TotalRL.com and is a must read. He is spot on. P.S. I don't know how to put it on here, perhaps someone less thick than me could oblige?
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ROVERS CHAIRMAN SLAMS PLANS FOR 'RADICAL CHANGE'
CHAIRMAN Mark Campbell has released the following statement after a handful of Betfred Super League officials lined up alongside new chief executive Robert Elstone to unveil “radical changes”, which it has been claimed could signal the end of the current Super 8s format as early as this year.
Yesterday, at a press conference held at the Halliwell Jones Stadium, Elstone and representatives of Wigan Warriors, St Helens and Warrington Wolves spoke of a desire to create a “better-funded elite competition”.
Those involved claimed Elstone’s alleged vision had the backing of 11 of 12 top-flight clubs, which has since been strongly refuted by Leeds Rhinos chief executive Gary Hetherington.
Rovers chairman Campbell, who despite acting as a key figure in the newly-formed Championship and League 1 advisory group, was unaware of plans for Super League to yesterday hold a press conference.
Campbell said: “At a meeting between the clubs, the Rugby Football League and Super League - less than one month ago - it was agreed no future plans would be discussed publicly until a solution was found for all concerned.
“So, as you can imagine, it was a huge shock to yesterday be informed that a press conference had in fact taken place. It was one thing to unveil Robert as Super League’s new chief executive but to make such bold and sweeping statements about the sport’s future was something else.
“Robert claims he has a desire to create a “positive working relationship with the RFL”. He has been in the job for two minutes and has already chosen to ignore the agreed consolation process which the RFL, Super League, Championship and League 1 is - or was - playing a part in. Perhaps Robert is just a puppet for Ian Lenagan.
“On Ian and some of his quite remarkable comments from yesterday, this is a man who is talking of “radical change” and the start of a new era. Going back to one up, one down. Re-introducing what we call ‘loop fixtures’ to essentially pad out a season. They are nothing more than a random lottery and have proven hugely controversial in the past. We have been there and done that. How is this radical change? If it was so good before then why was it changed to begin with?
“Did Brian Barwick, chairman of Super League and the RFL, know about yesterday’s press conference? If not, then why? If so, then why did the man at the top of the organisation not attend this alleged new beginning for elite rugby league? There must be a very good reason.
“Where is the RFL in all of this? It appears their so-called figureheads, one of which is supposed to be Brian, and spokespeople are all on holiday - given their total lack of response as a governing body.
“From where I am sitting, and the fact I am speaking on behalf of a challenging Championship club is irrelevant, this is about one man attempting to control the game - with the support of owners and chairpeople who are only interested in self preservation and, ultimately, clinging on to their existence.
“One of those clubs, in the town in which the sport was born and bred, is this week letting everyone in for free as an act of sheer desperation. Yet this club could survive, be rewarded for failure on and off the field, and continue to tick over in the top flight essentially free of charge. And all because of these “desired” changes.
“Those who sat at the top table yesterday and smiled for the cameras want the sport’s key stakeholders to believe this is for the 'good of the game'. Don’t make me laugh.
“When the current format was introduced, none of the Super League chairpeople believed a Championship club could even remotely challenge for a place in the top flight, based on central income in the second tier and overall revenue.
“However, because the gap has and will continue to narrow, there is a genuine possibility that four current Super League clubs could be relegated as early as this year. There is now too much on the line, hence the desire for immediate change to protect themselves and not the sport as a whole.
“The sport of rugby league, now more than ever before, needs its clubs and fans to rise and voice their opinions. This is quite possibly the most pivotal period in rugby league’s history and it would be an out-and-out disgrace for three or four chairpeople to be able to take the sport apart.”
Featherstone Rovers RLFC Ltd, The LD Nutrition Stadium, Post Office Road, Featherstone, West Yorkshire, WF7 5EN Telephone: 01977 702386 Email: info@featherstonerovers.co.uk
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CHAIRMAN Mark Campbell has released the following statement after a handful of Betfred Super League officials lined up alongside new chief executive Robert Elstone to unveil “radical changes”, which it has been claimed could signal the end of the current Super 8s format as early as this year.
Yesterday, at a press conference held at the Halliwell Jones Stadium, Elstone and representatives of Wigan Warriors, St Helens and Warrington Wolves spoke of a desire to create a “better-funded elite competition”.
Those involved claimed Elstone’s alleged vision had the backing of 11 of 12 top-flight clubs, which has since been strongly refuted by Leeds Rhinos chief executive Gary Hetherington.
Rovers chairman Campbell, who despite acting as a key figure in the newly-formed Championship and League 1 advisory group, was unaware of plans for Super League to yesterday hold a press conference.
Campbell said: “At a meeting between the clubs, the Rugby Football League and Super League - less than one month ago - it was agreed no future plans would be discussed publicly until a solution was found for all concerned.
“So, as you can imagine, it was a huge shock to yesterday be informed that a press conference had in fact taken place. It was one thing to unveil Robert as Super League’s new chief executive but to make such bold and sweeping statements about the sport’s future was something else.
“Robert claims he has a desire to create a “positive working relationship with the RFL”. He has been in the job for two minutes and has already chosen to ignore the agreed consolation process which the RFL, Super League, Championship and League 1 is - or was - playing a part in. Perhaps Robert is just a puppet for Ian Lenagan.
“On Ian and some of his quite remarkable comments from yesterday, this is a man who is talking of “radical change” and the start of a new era. Going back to one up, one down. Re-introducing what we call ‘loop fixtures’ to essentially pad out a season. They are nothing more than a random lottery and have proven hugely controversial in the past. We have been there and done that. How is this radical change? If it was so good before then why was it changed to begin with?
“Did Brian Barwick, chairman of Super League and the RFL, know about yesterday’s press conference? If not, then why? If so, then why did the man at the top of the organisation not attend this alleged new beginning for elite rugby league? There must be a very good reason.
“Where is the RFL in all of this? It appears their so-called figureheads, one of which is supposed to be Brian, and spokespeople are all on holiday - given their total lack of response as a governing body.
“From where I am sitting, and the fact I am speaking on behalf of a challenging Championship club is irrelevant, this is about one man attempting to control the game - with the support of owners and chairpeople who are only interested in self preservation and, ultimately, clinging on to their existence.
“One of those clubs, in the town in which the sport was born and bred, is this week letting everyone in for free as an act of sheer desperation. Yet this club could survive, be rewarded for failure on and off the field, and continue to tick over in the top flight essentially free of charge. And all because of these “desired” changes.
“Those who sat at the top table yesterday and smiled for the cameras want the sport’s key stakeholders to believe this is for the 'good of the game'. Don’t make me laugh.
“When the current format was introduced, none of the Super League chairpeople believed a Championship club could even remotely challenge for a place in the top flight, based on central income in the second tier and overall revenue.
“However, because the gap has and will continue to narrow, there is a genuine possibility that four current Super League clubs could be relegated as early as this year. There is now too much on the line, hence the desire for immediate change to protect themselves and not the sport as a whole.
“The sport of rugby league, now more than ever before, needs its clubs and fans to rise and voice their opinions. This is quite possibly the most pivotal period in rugby league’s history and it would be an out-and-out disgrace for three or four chairpeople to be able to take the sport apart.”
Featherstone Rovers RLFC Ltd, The LD Nutrition Stadium, Post Office Road, Featherstone, West Yorkshire, WF7 5EN Telephone: 01977 702386 Email: info@featherstonerovers.co.uk
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| I fail to understand how SL clubs in any respect can become an "Elite League" or competition by taking all the money except the loose change and spending it on themselves.
They will just have the same players moving between the same clubs playing at the same average standard but getting paid more for doing it and how many of these are really of an "Elite" standard?
With no jeopardy, at the end of the season they will be back to seeing the same old meaningless games with nothing to play for and no reason to watch them.
With the reserve teams becoming less and less where will the next batch of players come from capable of playing at any level above average never mind "Elite"?
I can't even begin to think what it will be like for everyone outside this "Elite League", it's hard enough now for many
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| An excellent statement from Mark Campbell sums what is Totally rotten about the Game When are the so called Governing Body going to show some guts & leadership im
not holding my breath
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| Quote ="bentleyman"An excellent statement from Mark Campbell sums what is Totally rotten about the Game When are the so called Governing Body going to show some guts & leadership im
not holding my breath'"
Absolutely, and well done Ian for putting The full statement on.
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| Quote ="faxcar"I fail to understand how SL clubs in any respect can become an "Elite League" or competition by taking all the money except the loose change and spending it on themselves.
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They're leaving the loose change ?
Is that because it's down the back of the sofa ?
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| Reading between the lines, the aim of a certain group of SL bosses is to cut out the 'dross' and let themselves play with each other half a dozen times a season. Add on to this the annual jollies to Toronto, New York, the South of France and Oz and everyone's happy! Aren't they?
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| Quote ="Norman Bates"Top team up, 2nd place plays 2nd to bottom in Million Pound game.'"
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| if go the way SL want they will have to all run 2nd teams as rest of clubs go to the wall.
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| What a complete shambles this is turning out to be already. The RFL are the custodians of our game at all levels not SL. I understand that the top league is the showpiece but not to the detriment of all other clubs in whatever league below it.
The adverse logic to me is that they are about to get rid of a system that has improved the quantity and quality of clubs that can now challenge for SL, as there are several Championship clubs will give the SL a run for their money in the middle 8's this time.That looks to me to be the real reason why some SL Chairmen have grasped the nettle now and announced the changes -to safeguard themselves and others in SL.
Soft soaping the lower teams by saying funding will remain in place unti 20-21 season looks like a back handed way of saying look after yoursleves after that, as we are shutting up shop and keeping the money for ourselves.
Somebody at the RFL needs to grow a pair and explain to the Wigan/Saints and Warrington Chairmen that the game is not theirs to decide on. It is all the clubs, at whatever level, to decide what is best for the game overall.
I have a real passion for people to be playing rugby at whatever age and whatever level.Greedy Chairmen manipulating the game to suit themselves does not sit well with me at all.
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| Quote ="swifty62"if go the way SL want they will have to all run 2nd teams as rest of clubs go to the wall.'"
They'll probably dual reg with Rugby Onion teams. Or maybe Canadian Football.
Anything to cut costs ....
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| Quote ="Living The Dream"
The adverse logic to me is that they are about to get rid of a system that has improved the quantity and quality of clubs that can now challenge for SL, as there are several Championship clubs will give the SL a run for their money in the middle 8's this time.'"
Have they ?
Or are the Championship teams able to make a challenge because they have a wealthy backer ?
I suspect the latter. In which case, nothing's changed.
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