Is it me or does he seem to always be punished for one mistake and dropped. Batley then after the leigh game.

Players like tangata giving the ball away when on takle 2 and 3 for incorrect play the ball week in week out and fans can see it and getting annoyed with it yet walmsley makes one mistake and is dropped.

Think the lads been hard done by and cant see him sticking round

Was he dropped this time though? He may have been injured, i can't see any other reason why he would be left out. The lad is a match winner and although at fault for one of Leigh's trys he would be in my team every time. Let's see the line up against Whitehaven. Up The Fax!

Going by grixs pre match interview he mad a mistake which cost him his place

If that's the case we'd have no players available to be picked! We might only have him for one season, get him in the team and let's enjoy watching him.

Yes simon did say that he was being left out for a few incidents in the leigh game. And ben had played well for huddersfields reserves so in his eyes deserved his chance and to be fair he played well on sunday and would be unlucky to be left out against whitehaven. But as far as Lachlan goes it seems unfair that he gets judged by a higher standard then other players and i too would have him in the side.

Another thing is that we have several wingers on the books so Grix can drop them when he wants we are very short of forwards. Drop Tangata and who do you put in the second row ?

Walmsley could well end up be a player we never utilise.l so they leave and then play for someone else and when plays against us have a stormer of a game. We need to play him to keep him engage with the team and enjoying his rugby at Fax

Multilayered opinion here

Tangata has probably being guilty of the most individual errors of all our squad but has yet to be dropped, you could argue with injuries to gee n Knowles we don’t have the strength n depth to replace him .

Walmsey has played pretty well in recent games but in the Leigh game he was directly responsible perhaps inadvertently for two of the tries conceded, kick out on the full after conceding the first try led to Leigh having another set and a try immediately after and conceding again , an incorrect play the ball giving back possession to Leigh in our own 30 and conceding again .

Walmsey is not yet super league level and Leigh and Featherstone are covered in them positions, where would walmsey go here’s on a good salary , we were playing Workington and tibbs needs some game time.

Walmsey responded well and showed a good attitude last time he was dropped.

Grix stated that all players must play well to not be dropped because we have players of equal ability to replace thus keeping high standards .

Up to now tangata seems to be the only one not dropped in the last two seasons for under par performances and maybe worthington,

Grix is more qualified than the fans to make squad rotation calls .

All players - but particularly young relatively inexperienced ones , need confidence to play well. That comes both from playing well and getting the crowd on side, and also from your coach showing confidence in you. He was poor against Batley and probably deserved to be dropped, personally felt he was good enough against a very strong Leigh team to keep his place. Grix has different challenge this season keeping a number of good players who won't be able to play every week, happy - so far based on the response of the players when he brings them back - he's doing a pretty good job.

People keep saying Lachlan was poor against Batley. I was at the game and I thought he played o.k. He's not the finished article obviously but he'd certainly start for me, he's only going to get better. Up The Fax!

On the play the ball issue this again isn’t straight forward as I believe it is open to interpretation, winning the ruck and trying to dominate the ruck through quick play the balls is a grey area , the offensive side perhaps trying to play the ball while the tackle is nt complete , the defending side lying on and not clearing quickly can result in interference around the ruck and subsequent incorrect play the ball , regardless given that tangata is a repeat offender in this regard would mean intensive coaching to at least iron out these issues.

I think poor is probably a bit harsh from fans in general,I was at the game too against Batley, he just lacks a little bit of physicality but then again makes up for it with other attributes as the high kick to the corner, pace , finishing etc thing is if he was more physical he would be playing super league so it’s one of them.

I think Woody will be pleased that Grix has found someone else to be the scape goat as it used to be him. Grix seems to be very much a stats man and they never tell the full picture as we saw with Springer. The ironic thing is that once again we are crying out for a forward who can make a half break, "Luxury" type players do not seem to be Grix's thing despite him signing them.

I think you have answered the question there greg as to why we have not signed the tackle busting forward most of us think we need.

I think you make a good point you could go through every game and there will be a number of incorrect play the balls that don't get pulled up. The problem adam could have referees will probably know who are regular offenders in this area of the game and watch them more closely.

Well I’m certainly one who would love to see a block busting forward.
Couple of questions though.
Can anyone suggest who this might be and provide a name?
Can anyone suggest why if that player exists he would want to come to Fax when if he was that good there would likely be several SL clubs and top Championship clubs also wanting to sign him?
On scapegoats, the biggest consistency in that regard is that it’s whoever happens to be the Fax coach at the time, it was the same with MC, KH, RM and now SG and whoever follows.

On Walmsley I would play him.

On walmsey I’ve given it some thought, someone , I can’t remember if it was on here or Facebook made a valid point , we haven’t signed walmsey to make yards like salty , different types of player ,in some respects his physicality is irrelevant plus we have other backs like arundal , McComb, worthington when fit who can fulfil this roll . It is possible we’re overthinking things and walmsey was rested to give tibbs an opportunity against weaker opposition, both rawsthorne and the ginger fox were rotated last season.

Regards the forward situation I believe the only option at this time in the season is the duel reg , out of ashworth and mason I preferred ashworth, mason seems a big lad but doesn’t run with much intent and ashworth has got an offload . Tyler Dupree fits the bill but obviously not an option at the moment.

I’d be interested to know if we ever look further afield like Whitehaven do or like when we signed tangata and cahalane.

My view on Lachlan is that when in a couple of years we are watching him tear it up in SL we'll all be saying why didn't Grix pick him more often? Get the lad in the team and let him do the job for us while we've got him.

Up The Fax!

I would take ashworth in the team each week he did well for giants on sunday though. Watched the leigh game back also and Ashworth stood out and played well thought mason was lazy in defence

Yes it’s very difficult to assess who’s doing what live as emotions are involved but he looked promising, also seen a few games of him playing for saints and he looks decent, big strong and with an offload ( still should have passed when we had a three on two on the 20 minute mark )even if we can’t have him now it’s worth keeping an eye on these players for the future some of the fax forwards are reaching there mid 30s and will need replacing at some point .

I think Walmsley has the skills to go up a level to SL but I dont think grix has the capability to take him there . It cuts both ways in a player coach relationship . Time will tell.

I think Walmsley has the skills to go up a level to SL but I dont think grix has the capability to take him there . It cuts both ways in a player coach relationship . Time will tell.

Walmsley is the type of player that can win a game when the games tight. He has the speed and ‘Xfactor’ to produce when it matters. As others mentioned Grixy may have seen this game as an opportunity to get Tibbs in to show him what he can offer us this season should we need to call on him.

Just to touch on the point of Tangata and incorrect play the balls… i don’t think its open to interpretation - the Batley game which i was at and the Leigh game i watched ont tele, he got to his feet and fell after playing the ball. Its a penalty all day long and will continue to be punished for it, He needs to cut it out. The worst penalty to concede is one when you have the ball!

Just to touch on the point of Tangata and incorrect play the balls… i don’t think its open to interpretation - the Batley game which i was at and the Leigh game i watched ont tele, he got to his feet and fell after playing the ball. Its a penalty all day long and will continue to be punished for it, He needs to cut it out. The worst penalty to concede is one when you have the ball!

Totally agree.

Play the ball is open to interpretation as the referee has to decide if a genuine attempt to play the ball has been made which involves using the heel to kick it back which doesn’t happen all the time , plenty of games where the decision can go either way in a similar vein to reefing the ball out / knock on rule . Like I said in my original post tangata given that he’s a repeat offender needs to work on it , regardless. Also an incorrect ptb doesn’t result in a penalty but possession given back to the opposition . https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/rf ... -for-2020/

Play the ball is open to interpretation as the referee has to decide if a genuine attempt to play the ball has been made which involves using the heel to kick it back which doesn’t happen all the time , plenty of games where the decision can go either way in a similar vein to reefing the ball out / knock on rule . Like I said in my original post tangata given that he’s a repeat offender needs to work on it , regardless. Also an incorrect ptb doesn’t result in a penalty but possession given back to the opposition . https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/rf ... -for-2020/