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| Well done Mr Noble we are all saying the same stuff how this as all gone on is a joke
The RFL and Championship clubs will hold an EGM later this month after clubs demanded an emergency meeting.
TotalRL has received an email sent by Sheffield chairman Chris Noble to the RFL’s acting CEO Ralph Rimmer, requesting a meeting to discuss a variety of concerns.
Among the points raised by Noble were the parachute payment received by Leigh, Toulouse’s omission from the Challenge Cup and their involvement at the Magic Weekend alongside Toronto Wolfpack.
It’s understood that the request was seconded by at least one Championship club, and the RFL have now responded and are in the process of arranging a meeting, although a specific date has not been arranged.
In the email, Noble said: “It is four weeks since I ‘E mailed’ you original (14th December 2017) raising some issues and now we have, the parachute payment which was not included in the agreement regarding the central funding, Toulouse not participating in the Challenge Cup, Toronto/Toulouse at Magic weekending and possibly other matters which have not been discussed by the clubs who are affected by these matters.
“Can I again request an EGM of the clubs and the board to discuss all these points before we get to the stage, again as previously mentioned, ‘ it is too late to do anything about them’.”
Championship clubs have already voiced their concerns on some of these issues. Last year, Dewsbury chairman Mark Sawyer told League Express that the clubs were frustrated with the lack of communication regarding Leigh’s parachute payment, which has seen the Centurions receive an additional £500,000.
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| As all super league contracts become void on relegation there is no need for any parachute payments and a level playing field should be maintained.Beaumont bought Leigh super league then didn't have the clout to sustain it-if he wants to do the same again let it be out of his own pocket.
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| Quote ="Beaujangles"As all super league contracts become void on relegation there is no need for any parachute payments and a level playing field should be maintained.Beaumont bought Leigh super league then didn't have the clout to sustain it-if he wants to do the same again let it be out of his own pocket.'"
Im not sure that is the case. I mean Leigh would have been stupid to let this happen as been the promoted team theres always the chance of relegation the following season added to that the fact that there was little chance of Leigh going part time if they did come down, it would be daft to have a clear cut contract break. The chances are most had either options or break clauses and this probably also explains why McNally thinks he has a decent case against Leigh after been told he were surplus to requirements.
I would agree though there should be no need for a parachute payment but would be interested to see how it ties in with the funding they will get during the year. Given most parachute payments are given to protect infrastructure then it has to be questioned as I believe Leigh did not run a reserves last season so it can't be to do with that and really can only be to do with contracts which does seem to suggest that all contracts were not null and void. The thing is though if you overspend then you face the consequences, could we claim a parachute payment when we had to get players to take a pay cut when we failed to make the top 4? Not a chance it would be daft but its a very similar principal.
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| My post was based on the Larroyer case who fell on hard times when his HKR contract was deemed void on their relegation.Maybe the rule changed the year after,because of this outcry ?
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| Regarding Toulouse and the Challenge cup.
For last year I seem to remember reading, when they were asked about this Ralph Rimmer or Nigel Wood stated that every club who were members of the Rugby Football League had to take part in the CC.
The get out was.
Toulouse are not full members and are classed as "guests" and the RFL powers that be gave them special dispensation but it was not a practice that they would likely repeat, or some comments like that.
2018 comes along and groundhog day.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Im not sure that is the case. I mean Leigh would have been stupid to let this happen as been the promoted team theres always the chance of relegation the following season added to that the fact that there was little chance of Leigh going part time if they did come down, it would be daft to have a clear cut contract break. The chances are most had either options or break clauses and this probably also explains why McNally thinks he has a decent case against Leigh after been told he were surplus to requirements.
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RFL regs say the contracts are void on promotion or relegation.
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| Folk keep harping on about parachute payments,but the RFL have NOT made any payments to Leigh Centurions ,either parachute or any others, this payment of half a million pound was made by the other SL Clubs who all agreed to chip in .To me it's obvious the SL Clubs want Leigh Centurions in SL and will do whatever to Aid them , I'm not saying it is right, but how it has been done, I said a meeting of SL clubs happened last Wednesday, a case of watch this space .
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| Thanks Griff for the clarification of contracts. To be fair it makes perfect sense for RFL contract rules to be exactly that . Essentially it saves clubs from themselves being held to contracts clubs can't deliver as income drops. I would imagine Leigh would be very thankful of the rule.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Folk keep harping on about parachute payments,but the RFL have NOT made any payments to Leigh Centurions ,either parachute or any others, this payment of half a million pound was made by the other SL Clubs who all agreed to chip in .To me it's obvious the SL Clubs want Leigh Centurions in SL and will do whatever to Aid them , I'm not saying it is right, but how it has been done, I said a meeting of SL clubs happened last Wednesday, a case of watch this space .
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Call it what you like Ian.
If you are correct we now have all the other SL clubs paying an extra half a million pounds to Leigh Centurians, who are in actual fact at the time of the payment a Championship club and the reason is as you stated to get them into SL, whatever.
Your not saying it's right but more importantly your not saying it's wrong, but I will.
If true, it's tampering, manipulation and clear discrimiantion against the other Championship clubs.
If true, SL clubs should not be allowed to give such a significant amount and consequent advantage to any one Championship club in an attempt to get them a place in SL (and it has nothing to do with player welfare and them possibly losing their jobs due to being relegated like Jukes was moaning long and loud about.)
If true the RFL, the great custodians of the whole game might not be making the payment but they are either unable or unwilling to stop them.
Corrupt doesn't cover it.
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| Quote ="faxcar"Call it what you like Ian.
If you are correct we now have all the other SL clubs paying an extra half a million pounds to Leigh Centurians, who are in actual fact at the time of the payment a Championship club and the reason is as you stated to get them into SL, whatever.
Your not saying it's right but more importantly your not saying it's wrong, but I will.
If true, it's tampering, manipulation and clear discrimiantion against the other Championship clubs.
If true, SL clubs should not be allowed to give such a significant amount and consequent advantage to any one Championship club in an attempt to get them a place in SL (and it has nothing to do with player welfare and them possibly losing their jobs due to being relegated like Jukes was moaning long and loud about.)
If true the RFL, the great custodians of the whole game might not be making the payment but they are either unable or unwilling to stop them.
Corrupt doesn't cover it.'" I'm sure Halifax earned about 250000 more than Leigh when we finished bottom of the middle 8s a couple of years ago so Halifax could have easily kicked on like Leigh but they decided to invest the money
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| Quote ="interceptor"Thanks Griff for the clarification of contracts. To be fair it makes perfect sense for RFL contract rules to be exactly that . Essentially it saves clubs from themselves being held to contracts clubs can't deliver as income drops. I would imagine Leigh would be very thankful of the rule.'"
Apparently, they've not taken advantage of it. They've just asked for more money like street beggars.
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| Quote ="gunners guns13"Quote ="faxcar"Call it what you like Ian.
If you are correct we now have all the other SL clubs paying an extra half a million pounds to Leigh Centurians, who are in actual fact at the time of the payment a Championship club and the reason is as you stated to get them into SL, whatever.
Your not saying it's right but more importantly your not saying it's wrong, but I will.
If true, it's tampering, manipulation and clear discrimiantion against the other Championship clubs.
If true, SL clubs should not be allowed to give such a significant amount and consequent advantage to any one Championship club in an attempt to get them a place in SL (and it has nothing to do with player welfare and them possibly losing their jobs due to being relegated like Jukes was moaning long and loud about.)
If true the RFL, the great custodians of the whole game might not be making the payment but they are either unable or unwilling to stop them.
Corrupt doesn't cover it.'" I'm sure Halifax earned about 250000 more than Leigh when we finished bottom of the middle 8s a couple of years ago so Halifax could have easily kicked on like Leigh but they decided to invest the money
in other areas'"
What's that go to do with anything?
Nigel wood quote rightly received a lot of criticism, but I think it's a case of careful what you wish for with his departure. With Sl clubs more influential than ever, clubs like Halifax don't stand a chance of ever getting back in the big time. About time we stopped thinking this is even an option, and start realigning ourselves as a community club. We've already started doing this with the players - more local and younger players for a long time (perhaps driven by cash rather than a specific plan). The social aspect needs fixing, the Shay is too big and options for drink/food terrible. Need to the rugby into a reason to spend the afternoon at the club, rather than the only reason.
Just my two penneth
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| Quote ="Jaffro"What's that go to do with anything?
Nigel wood quote rightly received a lot of criticism, but I think it's a case of careful what you wish for with his departure. With Sl clubs more influential than ever, clubs like Halifax don't stand a chance of ever getting back in the big time. About time we stopped thinking this is even an option, and start realigning ourselves as a community club. We've already started doing this with the players - more local and younger players for a long time (perhaps driven by cash rather than a specific plan). The social aspect needs fixing, the Shay is too big and options for drink/food terrible. Need to the rugby into a reason to spend the afternoon at the club, rather than the only reason.
Just my two penneth'"
Now we're sucking diesel !
You're beginning to see the light.
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| Quote ="griff1998"RFL regs say the contracts are void on promotion or relegation.'"
Can you point me to where is says that if you don't mind? Maybe its just a case of the regs not been updated? If it were the case then McNally would not have a leg to stand on.
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| Quote ="gunners guns13"I'm sure Halifax earned about 250000 more than Leigh when we finished bottom of the middle 8s a couple of years ago so Halifax could have easily kicked on like Leigh but they decided to invest the money
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What has that got to do with Leigh, according to Charlie, recieving an additional £500,000 from SL clubs to get them back into Super league?
If true, how can the existing SL clubs be allowed to play a significant part in influencing the outcome of what is supposed to be an open competition before a game as even been played.
As stated before, at this point in time Leigh are a Championship club because of how they performed on the field, nothing more and nothing less.
There may or may not be an argument about extra monies to safeguard individulals jobs but that's another story, but, if true, no club should recieve payments from other clubs to help them gain promotion, it's absured in every respect.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Can you point me to where is says that if you don't mind? Maybe its just a case of the regs not been updated? If it were the case then McNally would not have a leg to stand on.'" Suppose that depends on the stipulation of the 500k.If it's purpose is to honour existing contracts then he rightly has a case.It's all a bent joke anyway and why there's barely a thousand of us still attending nowadays.
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| The payment was agreed in a meeting of SL clubs during the course of the 2017 season. A payment would be afforded to any SL club relegated that year.
In truth it was a failsafe to make sure if Catalans went down they would be able to maintain a FT team and come back up at the end of 2018 when franchising returns.
Just so happens Leigh were relegated and got the agreed payment. If Catalans had gone down I doubt 1 person would have had an objection.
Fact of the matter is at the time of the meeting Championship clubs weren't involved in the discussions, just as this year Leigh & Derek aren't involved in SL meetings.
This concern has been raised by a club with no aspirations of SL, no ground to call home and barely a team on the park.
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| Quote ="Binosh"The payment was agreed in a meeting of SL clubs during the course of the 2017 season. A payment would be afforded to any SL club relegated that year.You're missing the point and I for one would object to a parachute payment to ANY recipient.
In truth it was a failsafe to make sure if Catalans went down they would be able to maintain a FT team and come back up at the end of 2018 when franchising returns.
Just so happens Leigh were relegated and got the agreed payment. If Catalans had gone down I doubt 1 person would have had an objection.
Fact of the matter is at the time of the meeting Championship clubs weren't involved in the discussions, just as this year Leigh & Derek aren't involved in SL meetings.
This concern has been raised by a club with no aspirations of SL, no ground to call home and barely a team on the park.'"
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| I didn't miss any point, You need to raise your concerns with the RFL/SL CEO's as to why you were kept out of the negotiation loop.
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| Looks like you took my reply as well as 500k
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| Seems im not very good at using the Quote button.
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| Quote ="Binosh"The payment was agreed in a meeting of SL clubs during the course of the 2017 season. A payment would be afforded to any SL club relegated that year.
In truth it was a failsafe to make sure if Catalans went down they would be able to maintain a FT team and come back up at the end of 2018 when franchising returns.
Just so happens Leigh were relegated and got the agreed payment. If Catalans had gone down I doubt 1 person would have had an objection.
Fact of the matter is at the time of the meeting Championship clubs weren't involved in the discussions, just as this year Leigh & Derek aren't involved in SL meetings.
This concern has been raised by a club with no aspirations of SL, no ground to call home and barely a team on the park.'" (Well we've all been close to the edge at some point.)
So Ian (Charlie) was wrong then (again )
If true, it had nothing to do with the SL clubs wanting Leigh in SL, more to do with SL clubs wanting Catalans in SL.
If it was Catalans, I think there would be even more people, certainly from the terraces objecting as we all know the Cats and Co are the Darlings of rugby league with another addition or two to follow.
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| Quote ="Binosh"
Just so happens Leigh were relegated and got the agreed payment. If Catalans had gone down I doubt 1 person would have had an objection.
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You've got to be kidding, that would have caused even more uproar as it would have been seen as blatant favouritism.
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| Quote ="faxcar"(Well we've all been close to the edge at some point.)
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So Ian (Charlie) was wrong then (again
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If true, it had nothing to do with the SL clubs wanting Leigh in SL, more to do with SL clubs wanting Catalans in SL.
If it was Catalans, I think there would be even more people, certainly from the terraces objecting as we all know the Cats and Co are the Darlings of rugby league with another addition or two to follow.'"
I admit I was wrong to a point,the agreement was to pay Half a Million pound to the relagation Club,it was made before the end of the season, the relagation Club just happened to be Leigh,it would have been paid to Cats, or whoever else went down,I was partly right right , but Neil (Binosh)put it a better way than me. x
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Can you point me to where is says that if you don't mind? Maybe its just a case of the regs not been updated?'"
If you think I'm going to trawl through the regs just so you can claim they haven't been updated, you're mistaken.
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