I have just watched the game back and to say I am baffled is an understatement.

As I understood it, once the player who kicks the ball gets in front of the players they are onside, therefore when Ben Black got to the ball, every single halifax player was behind him, so therefore onside. Even the commentators (for what its worth) agree with my interpretation.

Is this a rule change?????

I thought that too, once ben black had chased down the ball he played everyone else onside, i thought this in real time and when i got back and watched it on sky...Not wanting to sound sour because we lost i believed it was the wrong decision.

Was the Ellis try offside?

im not sure if theres a new ruling were the player who kicks the ball cant play the players onside who were in a offside position,therefore the players infront of the kicker cant interfere in the play

ah right, it is quite confusing

I thought so at the game but looking at it on tv its okay, but the 6 more plays they got before the kick defo was not. That's rugby for you. We too would have accepted it....

No rule change, rfl rule book section 14, 3, d.

An offside player is placed onside if one of his team kicks or knocks the ball forward and takes up a position in front of him in the field of play.

It seems to me that the video ref got this wrong.

Ah, i was sure at the time he was offside. Anyway it's done, must move on...

We must move on, but its not too much to expect the video ref to get it right.

York up next on Sunday.

i have finally dragged myself to watch it - don't think Thomason or the 4th official got the big calls right - ah well, moving on...

Recorded the game on V+ and from what i can see its clear that the majority of fax player are offside when Black kicks the ball and that Gannon does get involved in the play eventually but by the time the ball has bounce hasn't Ben played everyone onside by been infront of them? and by getting to the ball first? even if Gannon does touch the ball (which I don't think he does) isn't he pleayed onside by ben?

Yes Ben plays them all onside so clearly the video ref got it wrong, which really with the benefit of the cameras and different points of view he has, he shouldnt be getting it wrong, shocking decision. Dont get me wrong im not plucking at straws for an excuse, i have no problem with Leigh winning at all..but surely the video ref screwed up? Typical SL.

Although all of the above makes complete sense, I'm sure there must have been a genuine reason to disallow it. Or at least I hope so as they can't get it so wrong, surely?!

Im sure the club will ask the question and the RFL will have to give a response so maybe they will be kind enough to post it on here.

I think that the call was that one of the offside players encroached within 10 yards of the ball player before Black played him onside.

But I may be wrong....

That's how I see it the intial 10 meter encroachment before Black had run past them.
Some go for you and some against for example at Fev in the semi when Bostock knocked the ball back in play to Saxton in the top corner his feet had not gone over the line but we got the head and feed at the scrum when Fev should have had the try and on that occasion it never even went to the screen.

Quote ="faxcar"That's how I see it the intial 10 meter encroachment before Black had run past them. Some go for you and some against for example at Fev in the semi when Bostock knocked the ball back in play to Saxton in the top corner his feet had not gone over the line but we got the head and feed at the scrum when Fev should have had the try and on that occasion it never even went to the screen.'" But the rules do not mention anything about a 10 meter rule. It says once the kicking player is in front of the offside player they are deemed as onside. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... 14_offside I have emailed Stuart Cummings (like he will reply???) for an explanation of the rule the video ref used. I dont detract anything from Leigh's win, they deserved it, but it is important that the fans understand the rules, as I thought I already did.....

Quote ="faxcar"That's how I see it the intial 10 meter encroachment before Black had run past them. Some go for you and some against for example at Fev in the semi when Bostock knocked the ball back in play to Saxton in the top corner his feet had not gone over the line but we got the head and feed at the scrum when Fev should have had the try and on that occasion it never even went to the screen.'" But the rules do not mention anything about a 10 meter rule. It says once the kicking player is in front of the offside player they are deemed as onside. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... 14_offside I have emailed Stuart Cummings (like he will reply???) for an explanation of the rule the video ref used. I dont detract anything from Leigh's win, they deserved it, but it is important that the fans understand the rules, as I thought I already did.....

Quote ="spanishbob"But the rules do not mention anything about a 10 meter rule. It says once the kicking player is in front of the offside player they are deemed as onside. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... 14_offside I have emailed Stuart Cummings (like he will reply???) for an explanation of the rule the video ref used. I dont detract anything from Leigh's win, they deserved it, but it is important that the fans understand the rules, as I thought I already did.....'" As I understand it when the kick goes in all the players that are in front of the kicker are in an offside position, if any of those players encroach within 10 meters or interfere with the oppostions receiving player before the kicker runs past them and puts them on side then it is a penalty to the defending side as the offense/encroachment happened first and everything after that is irrelevant. This as come from watching previous games with the resulting calls from the video ref. Is there any reference to that scenario in the rules? I think it might be this. Interfering with Catcher 2. Any off side player who remains within ten metres of an opponent who is set to catch a kick up field by an opposing player shall be deemed to be interfering with or attempting to interfere with the catcher and shall be penalised unless the non-offending team gains an immediate advantage.

Quote ="spanishbob"But the rules do not mention anything about a 10 meter rule. It says once the kicking player is in front of the offside player they are deemed as onside. www.therfl.co.uk/a_guide_to_the_ ... 14_offside I have emailed Stuart Cummings (like he will reply???) for an explanation of the rule the video ref used. I dont detract anything from Leigh's win, they deserved it, but it is important that the fans understand the rules, as I thought I already did.....'" As I understand it when the kick goes in all the players that are in front of the kicker are in an offside position, if any of those players encroach within 10 meters or interfere with the oppostions receiving player before the kicker runs past them and puts them on side then it is a penalty to the defending side as the offense/encroachment happened first and everything after that is irrelevant. This as come from watching previous games with the resulting calls from the video ref. Is there any reference to that scenario in the rules? I think it might be this. Interfering with Catcher 2. Any off side player who remains within ten metres of an opponent who is set to catch a kick up field by an opposing player shall be deemed to be interfering with or attempting to interfere with the catcher and shall be penalised unless the non-offending team gains an immediate advantage.

MMMM

That could be it. Although i dont think Gannon interfered with the catcher, he was certainly within 10 meters of the catcher. I am sure I have seen, on may occasions, where the offside player encroaches the 10 meter from the catcher, but just gets shouted at by the ref to not touch him!!!!!

Its all academic now, of course, but just needed some clarification.

Yes your right it had nothing to do with complaints about the result but more to do with understanding and interpreting the rules and until I looked on the link you posted I was unsure.
I think if Leigh had caught the ball cleanly instead of it bouncing around then the ref would have given Jim the call, as it was there's the massive high ball and a stampede of players all over the place hence the video ref's part and even then he had 4 or 5 looks at it.

ok to set it among pidgeons.
the ball bounced back towards fax. so where the ten metres from as was no catcher. then when someone went to catch the ball it was black.
as usual RFL rules conflict with each other.

so if a player puts up a kick and then races forward to catch his own kick then passes it to a teammate alongside him who goes over to score. would not be a try if teamate was in front of him when kicked.
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That would depend if player 2 had interfered with play before being played onside again by player 1 (the kicker). The offence has already occured by interfering with play from an offside position so what happens afterwards is irrelevant.

but is it really that clear?

In all cases where an offside player is within 10 meters of a catcher, whether he interferes or not, a penalty should be given, under rule 14-2

Ive jut watched the replay and i cant honestly see why the try was disallowed. When the ball bounces Ben Black has already ran past Gannon putting him onside. Blacky works really hard to do this and does it within the letter of the law and should have been rewarded. Gannon approached the ref and asked why it was disallowed and had discussions with him and i sort of get the impression that he didnt know why it had been ruled off either saying it was the video refs decision.

Saying all that the refs decision to not penalise Littler in the second half was crucial to the outcome, he could have also pinned Leigh for offside in the following tackle but chose not to. Overall you didnt really notice the ref and that is usally a sign that he is having a very good game, god help us if Ronnie the Viking had been in charge.

Is this the answer in the video refs eyes??

If we read the rule carefully just being in the 10 and in front of the kicker technically warrants a penalty whether you get involved or not and this player cannot be put on side if the kicker runs past him because he was not only in front but also in the 10, however.

A penalty would not always be given, one way to avoid the penalty would be to as prevoiusly stated "warn the infinging player" such as give him 10 and if the player warned does not get involved (which Jim did by touching the ball) and the defending side gets the ball back or is not disadvantaged (which Leigh were by Fax scoring the try) then play will be allowed to carry on with the prevoiusly defending side now in possession.

Jim was the only player that was deemed to be both in front of Ben Black and within the 10 but was not warned by the ref because of the fine margins and complexities involved.

Even with multiple viewings there is a lot of uncertainty and each one will have their own views on it, it was a tough call but I arn't going to dwell on it.

The Beswick one is more contentious as it was willfull and seen by the ref and may have been worth 10 in the bin for Mr Littler, no advantage was gained and should have been a penalty.