needs dropping, how much better did we play when he came off

he is seriously lacking confidence,

It's all them knock ons he does.

Dont really think he needs dropping just really should have a bit of a game plan. Its alright playing off the cuff but i think he needs to do the basics right to build his confidence. The rest of the league have sussed the chip over the top. Also think that joe was all over him today when he got the ball so a few passes out to the backs would have been great. Fax have become very predictable and thats where i feel the real problem is.

Penky actually took all them today

he doesnt need dropping how is that going to help his confidence.

I dont think he deserves to be dropped, lot more in the que before him but it says you cant just turn up go through the motions and expect to be in the team week after week.

PS am i the only one who saw that it was Gleeson who knocked on at the end of the game?

Maybe he needs a psychologist as clearly he is suffering more than first thought. Clearly since the Widnes game is off key. But he also usually has no proper 6 to work with neither

No, number 14 for me too!

it was down at the other end of the pitch. i just thought it was penky it was every other time so just assumed my mistake.

maybe a cunning plan for him to get the fans to dislike him and so has excuse to leave club.

It was Gleeson who knocked on...you are spot on.

Its funny to me that people are blaiming Ben Black. You can't put three poor performances down to one man, how ridiculous, does that mean without him we are nothing then? and a one man team like people have said in the past?

Plenty of people have played badly over the last three weeks but i don't think he needs singling out, he hasn't been any worse than a lot of others. I at least saw effort from him today and you can always tell he wants it. Its difficult for him to play well with no1 supporting him and also no forwards making yards to build from.