He was brave going in to a pub wasn't he ? I bet he didn't even buy a drink did he ?

He bought a round for his new recruits!

No further contribution from FA I see. However I won't accuse him in the same way he did me, I'm sure he's just not got round to responding.

Not needed. In nearly 100 pages on this thread you've managed to say FA of value yourself.

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I think, lke the rest of us, he's given up, being tolerant and honest people we have to accept that bigots like you exist, you like your fairy stories as much as I like science fiction novels (although their is [isome[/i science fact in some of the stuff I read, unlike yourself).

You've failed, in almost 100 pages, to make any positive contribution to a world which you claim to have met the supreme being, or his right hand man. An if "God" exists, then why didn't he strike me down with a bolt of lightening when I had the audacity to go into his "house" yesterday for a relatives Christening (an event, I might add, that was undertaken for no religous belief, but just because she's a bit of a show off and does these "done things"icon_wink.gif. Can I also point out that said Church has a leaking roof, serious problems with the fabric of the building and a very poorly maintained graveyard (why we bury dead people I'll never know, never ever seen one grow back).

And my parting little gift, into the collection bowl I placed a note "go with belief and grace, god will provide", and I left them my B&Q 10% discount card, you know, just in case the allmighty comes up a bit short.

Really, really big towels

That he was a really bad science fiction writer who hit upon a good money making scam

You've got to give that lot credit. If you are going to try and sell a load of hogwash, then try and sell it to Hollywood stars, who are a) massively insecure, and b) massively rich!

Much better than peddling it to poor people in the hope that they won't overthrow the status quo.

They also make it incredibly diffucult to leave by cutting off anyone who does leave from the community, which includes being cut off from close familiy mambers who remain in thee church. They also cannot handle any criticism of their cul... er I mean religion and will use litigation to attempt to silence those who criticise their cul... er I mean religion.

Is L. Ron Hubbard just the Jebus of the 21st century?

I imagine Jebus being some manipulative scam artist of way back when and the naive fools just followed him and gave him all their fish and bread.

Or the Charles Taze Russell of the 19th century or the Muhammad of the 6th century.

You don't have to trawl through anything. Get a search of my posts up and clicking the ones on this thread would take you straight there. But you won't, because like I said, what you do is ignore every question, and you hope it will be submerged and your swerve not noticed, or forgotten.

If you do check you will see that oddly enough, English is indeed the language I chose to ask them.

That does not mean anything. Unless sin had been obliterated by this act, then the problem of sin clearly remains, unabated. What you seem to add to this equation is that (unless I read you wrong) we are all to be punished, for sins of our forbears in the past, and burn in hell, even if personally we do nothing wrong. Have I got that one right?
If that's how it works, I wouldn't ask god to address the problem of a leak in our plumbing.

"Plague of locusts"?

Stop it now, you're cracking me up.
But I do note your delusional suggestion that you were the one chosen follower. Even allowing for your conceit at being the "chosen one", intervention is not a question of degree. He either intervenes, or leaves you (personally) to it, based on your faith. As you no longer need faith, having met JC personally, that is a clear and unarguable intervention.You said JC contributed to your fruitful spiritual relationship. That is intervention.

Ask JC next time he pops in.

Ah, right. So from a totally non-intervening god, who will not interfere regardless, because he just leaves us all to it, you are saying that god in fact is a full-on,hands-on interfere with everything micro-manager, then? Is that it? And unless he goes on to an intervention which is on a global scale, it "doesn't count" as intervention?
Let me then just ask you ONE question, as I know you dare not and will not answer any of my earlier questions:
You now propose that, on the micro scale, god DOES intervene in people's lives, at a trivial, petty level, such as poping down to chat with you. So, on a similar micro-management scale, ou might have an innocent child bor with AIDS and syphilis. Why would JC not find it a better use of his time to pop round there than to yours?

Er, no. I don't sound like that at all, as there is no god. Furthermore, if there was a god such as yours I certainly wouldn't want anything whatsoever to do with him.

Sadly at the moment I am not delusional, and so it will not.

OK, give me until tomorrow to find them



No, you haven't got that right. You are judged on your sin only, not someone else's. What people mean when they talk about original or Adam's sin is the emergence of sin into the world. You are not condemned to Hell for Adam's wrongdoing but your own.

You ask what happens if we do nothing wrong. This is impossible. The Bible tells us that we ALL fall short of God's mark. I'd like to see an example of someone who has lived a sin-free life (except Jesus of course

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He has not intervened. My heart was already open to a relationship with Jesus.



My relationship with God is not trivial, it's actually the most important thing in the world.

Why did he talk to you and not Mother Theresa?

Why doesn't he approach the thousands of clergy men who have lost their faith, but still remain with the church because they can't earn a living doing anything else?

Would you not agree that when a person want's something enough, whether that is to communicate with the dead after losing a loved one, see fairies at the bottom of the garden or be that hungry and thirsty, their mind plays tricks (hallucinations) on them?

Is their any amount of science you would listen to and acknowledge if it went against your book, or would you always go scripture over science?

Why would God be interested in a no mark like Mother Theresa, anywhere in heaven or earth, when he could have the full attention of such a chosen one somewhere to the south of Horsforth?

No, it's THE most trivial thing in the world, because it's between a fantacist and a sky pixie, the most important relationship you have is between you and your wife and family, maybe you should put as much effort into your personal relationships as you to do your hatred of other people.

You are about as Christian as Hitler was Jewish.

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Your god falls short of my mark on many occasions.

Your god sits by and watches poverty, famine, disease and war in his name bring death, disfigurement and wretchedness to billions of people, all of whom were apparently made by him in his own image.

Your god goes to the trouble of creating new life within a woman only to see that new life unable to sustain itself outside the womb due to a spectacular lack of attention paid by him during its creation, and he tells those of you who have the benefit of his spoken word inside your head that its a trial for the parents to forbear - thats just pure evil.

Your god goes to the trouble of creating new life only to afflict it with a life threatening disease in its early years and he removes that young life from millions of proud and happy parents every year, then during their absolute grief tells them via people like yourself that its just something they'll have to live with and can get over it by loving him instead - thats just pure evil.

I don't think you're following a good, loving, caring sort of god at all, I think you're following the devil.

Mac you write plenty of good posts, but that is still one of your best.

Their book shows them that this isn't the case, they would gladly kill their own flesh and blood at gods command.

What was poor Isaac thinking as Abraham held the knife at his throat. Some Creator.

All getting a tad rabid now. I think we've all got the gist of both sides of the argument.

It started getting 'a tad rabid' 101 pages ago with the OP. Why would you expect it to stop now.

McF sums it up perfectly.

Either Kirkstaller's god is not ominpresent, omniscient and omnipotent or.....


...he's the most rabid b#stard of all.

I take it these are the questions you keep rabbitting on about?



It was an act of great blasphemy. The Bible tells us there is a heaven and a hell. Where do you think he ended up?



Not physically impotent, it's more about the definition of murder. Murder can only be committed by people. Like I said earlier, you would label a shark, a tarantula or prostate cancer a murderer. Murder has only ever existed between men, since Cain and Abel in fact.

If you say he is not omnipotent due to this, then I wish to remind you that true omnipotence would allow God to overcome logical and definitional paradoxes.



See above. Good luck on trying to secure that conviction on spontaneous human combustion.

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