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| Quote ="Standee"I'm saying it's worthless as an individual, certainly if the tripe posted is what it really thinks. [uI actually believe it's more than one idiot that uses a name to just post garbage and antagonise people.[/u'"
Thats been tried before. Talking of Rommel, not seen him/her/them around here for a while
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Thats been tried before. Talking of Rommel, not seen him/her/them around here for a while
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nor on the FC site, funny eh?
anyway, back on topic, is kirkstaller still promoting his bigotted views......
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| Quote ="Standee"nor on the FC site, funny eh?
anyway, back on topic, is kirkstaller still promoting his bigotted views......'"
Yes, you think he'd have moved on to somewhere else to preach wouldn't you? I'm just half way though watching a programme about being in the Moonies, now there is a cult if ever I saw one No doubt Kirkstaller will come back agreeing with me saying his way is the only way.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Yes, you think he'd have moved on to somewhere else to preach wouldn't you? I'm just half way though watching a programme about being in the Moonies, now there is a cult if ever I saw one
No doubt Kirkstaller will come back agreeing with me saying his way is the only way.
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David Koresh had nothing on Kirkstaller, as I may have said before!
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| Quote ="Standee"Dally is tiresome, and he's no "man"'"
How do you define a "man"?
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| So Dally is a bigot... and we're slagging off people of religion?
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| Quote ="Dally"How do you define a "man"?'"
don't worry, you posess none of the traits required.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"So Dally is a bigot... and we're slagging off people of religion?'"
If I'm reading your post correctly, you seem to be implying that there's some sort of conflict between the two things.
To begin with, I don't think we're slagging off all religious people (not in this thread, anyway), just the ones whose religious beliefs make them want to deny equal rights to people who are different to them. And the ones whose religious beliefs make them think doctors who perform abortions are worse than rapists.
Even if we were slagging off all religious people, I think being intolerant of those who are born a certain way (gay, black, disabled, whatever) is entirely different to being intolerant of those who choose to hold an outlandish belief in the face of all the available evidence. A ridiculous view is a ridiculous view, regardless of whether it's a belief in a supreme being or the belief that Widnes will lift this year's Super League title.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Which questions are they? Care to point me in the right direction?'"
What a poor tactic. What you do is ignore every question, and you hope it will be submerged and your swerve not noticed, or forgotten.
Now, and for the second time, you innocently ask "What questions"?
As if you didn't know.
They are those questions that YOU READ when I posted them, and consciously decided it was best to swerve. Those questions.
And now you have an even more pathetic swerve, you no doubt "can't be be bothered" or "haven't the time" to look back in the thread for them.
You've been rumbled, pal. There is only ONE reason you have not answered and that is the questions defeat you so you choose to pretend they never happened. Well done.
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... God does not intercede anymore like he did in the OT.'"
Er, or else god never did intercede in any of the OT fairytales, and the reason we never see god interceding nowadays is not because he's (for reasons you don't explain) changed his rather erratic game plan, but because he doesn't exist. You are quite correct in that he has not intervened since the OT. All you need to get your head around now is that he never did during OT times either, and as Occam would explain why that is.
Quote ="tb"So, accepting your premise: there's no point in prayer - except as sycophancy. It also, incidentally, says that your 'conversion' experience where you personally met Jesus (who is but one aspect of the triune god) didn't happen.'"
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... I met Jesus.'"
This is in need of explanation. God doesn't intervene. But in your case, he did, to the extent of a one-to-one chat with JC, which is why you are where you are. You need to explain how that is not "intervention". Or did he decide never to interfere with the rest of humanity, but made a single exception in your case?
Quote ="tb"... if you claim that your belief is based on meeting Jesus, you've just destroyed faith - a central tenet of your own theology.
oops.'"
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Can i just point out to kirkstaller and his apologists and others objecting to one sided name calling that this here is kirkstaller calling tb "CRAZY". Not very Christian, IMHO.
Quote ="kirkstaller" Interceding in world events is different to being open to a relationship freely sought by us, mankind.'"
Explain that to me. You are saying that you sought a relationship with JC, and so he popped round? I would suggest that your god or his son personally visiting one of his sinners is the clearest intervention in human affairs there could be. How is personally meeting a deity, and thus knowing, as opposed to believeing, they exist, not intervention?
Quote ="kirkstaller" You seem jealous that God only has 1-2-1 meeting with 'some of us' - this is a good thing, it means you too want the same relationship - however, this opportunity is only open to those who are open to it.'"
Until I was in my early teens I had been brainwashed into all this religious bull and so was a firm believer. Why did JC pass up on the opportunity of popping round to mine, then, while he had the chance? (Knowing in advance, as he does, that if he did. I would forever be saved, but if he didn't, I was a goner? Not very fair that. Why did he choose to intervene to save your bigoted ass but leave me to rot in hell?
Quote ="kirkstaller" I also think you need to revisit the Biblical definition of faith.'"
He doesn't nor do I. You can't advance your own argument by quoting your own written materials! The one who needs to revisit it would presumably be the one who claims to have met god personally thereby removing the need to have any faith.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark" Stuff, including some stuff quoting me'"
tbf to Kirkstaller, logic has never been a strong suite of the religiously deluded.
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| Quote ="tb"tbf to Kirkstaller, logic has never been a strong suite of the religiously deluded.'"
or even suit
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start
Interceding in world events is different to being open to a relationship freely sought by us, mankind. You seem jealous that God only has 1-2-1 meeting with 'some of us' - this is a good thing, it means you too want the same relationship - however, this opportunity is only open to those who are open to it.
I also think you need to revisit the Biblical definition of faith.'"
Few pages late, so it may have been adressed,
but, if we're going to accept levels of Interceding on a personal/local/national/world/universal event scale, then it could be argued that God interceding by sending his son to you is not overly different (in terms of scale) to God smiting a 4 year old heretic that has, by your definition, borne false witness.
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| Quote ="Standee"don't worry, you posess none of the traits required.'"
What are these traits? If you cannot define the term how can I assess your contention? How can I list criteria to decide who is more of a man me or you?
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| Quote ="Dally"What are these traits? If you cannot define the term how can I assess your contention? How can I list criteria to decide who is more of a man me or you?'"
Why do I care, you're less of a man than anyone I've ever come across. Wether you agree or not is irrelevant to me.
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| Quote ="Standee"Why do I care, you're less of a man than anyone I've ever come across. Wether you agree or not is irrelevant to me.'"
Just about sums you up, a name-calling, 10.5 stone wannabee bully!
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| Quote ="Dally"Just about sums you up, a name-calling, 10.5 stone wannabee bully!'"
think what you like, opinions count when they come from people you respect.
anyway, lets get back to the bigoted homphobe that we know you are, eh?
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| Quote ="Standee"think what you like, opinions count when they come from people you respect.
anyway, lets get back to the bigoted homphobe that we know you are, eh?'"
Let's. Why am I a "homophobe."
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| Quote ="Dally"Let's. Why am I a "homophobe."'"
do we REALLY need to go here, again, just admit your views, be a "man" about them, maybe?
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| Quote ="Dally"Let's. Why am I a "homophobe."'"
God clearly allowed you to be made that way and as he nowadays operates a total non-intervention policy, (apart from sending his lad to personally see important sinners), that's the reason.
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| [url=http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/milky_way_will_collide_with_andromeda_galaxyBloody hell Sin Binners[/url we've been worried about making comments that get the site into trouble legally, no it seems the great sky pixie has put us "on notice"
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| Quote ="Dally"Why am I a "homophobe."'"
Sometimes, when a person has repressed homosexual feelings, they find it easier to rail against homosexuality than to address those feelings. Perhaps that's why.
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| Quote ="Dally"Let's. Why am I a "homophobe."'"
Didn't you once alledge to have slapped your son because he told you he might be gay or did I dream that?
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"So Dally is a bigot... and we're slagging off people of religion?'"
Priceless isn't it.
A bigot it someone who is intolerant of other peoples views. There is a lot of intolerance towards the views of religious people on this thread. So the people who are calling others bigots are actually bigots themselves.
Extremists too. Hating every essence of religion is an extreme viewpoint.
Extremist bigots.
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| Priceless isn't it.
A bigot it someone who is intolerant of other peoples views. There is a lot of intolerance towards the views of Nazis on this thread. So the people who are calling others bigots are actually bigots themselves.
Extremists too. Hating every essence of Nazism is an extreme viewpoint.
Extremist bigots
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