You were their "Look guv we got proper accounts an everyting" diversion technique then.

Like any business where cash is involved there are opportunities for evasion/avoidance a small perk for the high levels of risk.

High levels of risk?

Taking cash from people before you wash their car in a former petrol station that the owner cannot lease out to anyone else other than another petrol retailer who won't touch it with a bargepole and for which he doesn't have the huge finance needed to dig up the tanks and convert it back into a brownfield site which is then of low development value - that sort of high risk ?

Outlay is low rent (you've got the owner over a barrel), your water rates, some buckets, sponges and wash leathers, an old wringer from a junk shop and one of those advertising things that you blow air into and a 20 foot high balloon man jumps around in the breeze (they can be rented and if you're lucky you'll have done a runner before they come for the next months installment) - find yourself a handful of cash-in-hand Latvians and plot your route over the back fence when HMRC arrive - sorted.

They will have to pay rent the kind of guys they will be renting will not be going legal if you don't pay!! If we have rain for two weeks turnover will disappear. Most sites are waiting to be sold - you could build up your business only to told you need to move on? There is competition out there you are not the only car wash in business. Sales aren't great - how many cars can you realistically do in an hour, let's face it Monday to Friday you will not be doing that many cars. Like any business it has it challenges.

Well it's the fifth of January and I haven't spotted a Bulgarian yet.
Mind you to be fair I've only been in Bulgaria for three days.

Funny though especially for Wail & Depress readers

Government masterstoke: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nefit.html

Government masterstoke: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nefit.html

Quote Dally="Dally"Government masterstoke: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nefit.html'" The Polish Foreign Minister has a point and it illustrates again the way that our government make up policy as they go along seemingly without stopping to check if its feasible or even legal. Unfortunately for Cameron his opponents in the EU are far too clever for him and his big-gob-politics.

Quote Dally="Dally"Government masterstoke: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... nefit.html'" The Polish Foreign Minister has a point and it illustrates again the way that our government make up policy as they go along seemingly without stopping to check if its feasible or even legal. Unfortunately for Cameron his opponents in the EU are far too clever for him and his big-gob-politics.

What a crazy system, and I can see why the Polish Minister is all in favour of it. We subsidise Polish kids with 4 times the benefit that they would get from their own Polish Government!

Easily sorted Dave, you are not going to get any of the newer EU members to agree with you, so simply pay out benefit at the same rate they would get in their home countries.

And if the EU doesn't like it.....

Wouldn't the kids then be brought here and take up school places, costing the UK much more?

That could happen, but I think the additional problems with finding Family sized accommodation, and the associated outlay is why they are still back in Poland. I'm sure the 4 fold increase in their benefits would have been a financial facter in any decision for the breadwinner to move here on his own. Remove the extra, and it may well be not worth it, and we could see a reverse migration.

You missed Jerry's "feasible and legal" comment I take it? Do you work at Conservative Central Office?

Last time I looked we have to follow the rule of law, and Cameron should be fighting within the EU to change the law if he doesn't like it, not unilaterally taking his ball home. EU law, like other law, isn't pick and choose.

Of course if he does decide he doesn't like it and takes us out of the EU, I wonder if the 2.2million Brits living in other EU countries would be kicked out and rock up back here claiming housing and other benefits. That WOULD be interesting.