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| Rather than niggling about who gets is the victim, I'd like to ask the OP why he wants the death penalty rather than another sentence.
Is it to protect the public from further murder? (Imprisonment has the same effect)
Is it to deter the murderer in the first place (demonstrably does not work)
I suspect it is because he sees the death penalty as punishment ... aka revenge.
And that, I'm afraid, is not a good reason ... but it's common among so-called Christians who fail to follow in the thoughts of their star philosopher.
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| Just out of interest...
Five US states have abolished the death penalty in the last five years. California will vote in a referendum whether to scrap it in November. Oregon's governor has called a halt to all executions.
It doesn't work. It's never worked. It can't possibly be the right thing for anyone who wishes to be described as civilised to support.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Every human has the same equal right to their life. That is the whole point of arguments against the death penalty. '"
Not the whole point. My main opposition to the death penalty is the potential for miscarriages of justice.
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| Quote ="John_D"Just out of interest...
Five US states have abolished the death penalty in the last five years. California will vote in a referendum whether to scrap it in November. Oregon's governor has called a halt to all executions.
It doesn't work. It's never worked. It can't possibly be the right thing for anyone who wishes to be described as civilised to support.'"
Texas will make up any shortfalls in numbers should these two abolish it.
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| Quote ="Mintball"Perhaps I was confusing it with the subject of this thread.'"
Perhaps. In proposing adding to the argument " =#FF0000the person who can't run into the burning building, because they're in a wheelchair or are 82" and posing the question " =#FF0000Do age or disability mean that people become less special?"
.. you were I suppose on reflection clearly talking about the death penalty.
Though I haven't worked out why you would suggest those categories of people might be in line for it.
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| I'm in favour of the death penalty for certain crimes in theory but in reality as soon as even one innocent person is hung it renders the whole thing unworkable.
You can argue that modern techniques such as DNA can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that someone is guilty but that depends on a reliance on the police to be honest and trustworthy (so no evidence tampering etc) but I think the revelations about the police's conduct in the aftermath of Hillsborough shows they are anything but !
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| DNA doesn't prove anything beyond reasonable doubt. It may work in cosmoplitan areas such as London, Manchester, Liverpool, Bristol or Leeds, but it doesn't work in more rural areas where the DNA spread isn't as great.
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| Either way, we all know that the death of 2 young female police officers was more tragic than if it had been 2 male officers
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| I'm assuming that's irony?
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| Quote ="Wolfieseviltwin"I'm in favour of the death penalty for certain crimes in theory'"
Therefore I reserve the right to call you an amoral idiot
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| Quote ="John_D"Therefore I reserve the right to call you an amoral idiot'"
I'm an idiot for having an opinion? get over yourself prick
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| [url=http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/21/man-jailed-indefinitely-children-rape?cat=uk&type=articleHard not to want to see this guy hanged...[/url
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| Quote ="Rock God X"[url=http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/21/man-jailed-indefinitely-children-rape?cat=uk&type=articleHard not to want to see this guy hanged...[/url'"
He'll suffer worse than that in the nick, i'd imagine
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| Quote ="100% Wire"He'll suffer worse than that in the nick, i'd imagine'"
He'd suffer worse in a room with half a dozen women.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"[url=http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/21/man-jailed-indefinitely-children-rape?cat=uk&type=articleHard not to want to see this guy hanged...[/url'"
It's not a box of chocolates though is it?
You're not allowed to pick and choose for mine.
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| Quote ="HullFC50"He'd suffer worse in a room with half a dozen women.'"
Why? Can't men be outraged by the crime?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"It's not a box of chocolates though is it?
You're not allowed to pick and choose for mine.
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In a nutshell.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"As someone who is NOT advocating differential murder sentences, it is still fair to point out that there is an obvious difference between some deaths, which is that most people are not killed as a consequence of deliberately putting themselves in harm's way to protect you and me. Most of us would, I think, choose not to enter a money shop where a robbery is taking place, as did PC Sharon Beshenivsky; who would guarantee that they would not flee for safety, instead of rescuing injured comrades ignoring personal risk of death, like Private Beharry? Who would have the bottle to wade in to protect a pupil from a notorious gang with weapons, which they were using, as did headmaster Philip Lawrence? Who can guarantee that they would not jump the hell off a burning aeroplane, rather than stay on it to get as many passengers off as you could, as did Sharon Ford and Jacqui Urbanski when they lost their own lives in the Manchester Airport incident in 1985?
Someone who is prepared to risk their own life to help others has always been considered special, and in my book, is.'"
I did read a few years back that nobody who had murdered a police officer had ever been released from jail. That might have changed since then, it was a few years ago. But I think it is an accepted principle that police killers receive much longer sentences. Harry Roberts must be well past 40 years inside by now.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"I did read a few years back that nobody who had murdered a police officer had ever been released from jail. That might have changed since then, it was a few years ago. But I think it is an accepted principle that police killers receive much longer sentences. Harry Roberts must be well past 40 years inside by now.'"
If they are never going to be released from prison what is the point in them living then?
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| At least Derek got a posthumous pardon after he'd been strung up.
[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Bentley_case[/url
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| Quote ="Ajw71"If they are never going to be released from prison what is the point in them living then?'"
Punishment possibly?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Why? Can't men be outraged by the crime?'"
I didn't mention men wouldn't be outraged. In a male prison they will get their chance to show their outrage at this heinous crime if they can get their hands on the waste of space, just think it would make a change if women had their chance too.
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| Indeed, in this modern world there is a place for equal oppertunity lynchings.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Indeed, in this modern world there is a place for equal oppertunity lynchings.'"
No mention of lynching that's the easy way, would just be a timely reminder not to do it again
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| Quote ="HullFC50"I didn't mention men wouldn't be outraged. In a male prison they will get their chance to show their outrage at this heinous crime if they can get their hands on the waste of space, just think it would make a change if women had their chance too.'"
I'm sorry are you saying that in prison other inmates are allowed to attack rapists and pedophiles and for equality women should be allowed?
Does that mean males should be allowed in female prisons to attack their sexual attackers?
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