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| Wonder if god will smite him for bearing false witness.
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| Quote ="Neil HFC"Wonder if god will smite him for bearing false witness.'"
Why would he?
Like I've said, we are all sinners. God does not intercede anymore like he did in the OT.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Why would he?
Like I've said, we are all sinners. God does not intercede anymore like he did in the OT.'"
Try telling that one to Phil Clarke!
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Quote ="Neil HFC"Wonder if god will smite him for bearing false witness.'"
Why would he?
Like I've said, we are all sinners. God does not intercede anymore like he did in the OT.'"
Daft t[iw[/iat.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Why would he?
Like I've said, we are all sinners. God does not intercede anymore like he did in the OT.'"
That's convenient...
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Daft t[iw[/iat.'"
Incisive as ever. I'm liking your style!
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Why would he?
Like I've said, we are all sinners. God does not intercede anymore like he did in the OT.'"
So, accepting your premise: there's no point in prayer - except as sycophancy. It also, incidentally, says that your 'conversion' experience where you personally met Jesus (who is but one aspect of the triune god) didn't happen.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Of course homosexuals can make it to Heaven.'"
But only if the admit that they have sinned, since when does loving someone become a sin? If they have not sinned, they have nothing to confess
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| Quote ="tb"So, accepting your premise: there's no point in prayer - except as sycophancy. It also, incidentally, says that your 'conversion' experience where you personally met Jesus (who is but one aspect of the triune god) didn't happen.'"
Prayer is communication between a Christian and God. It is not a wish-list, we do not beg for certain things to happen. Anyone who does such might as well pray to Santa Claus of the Islamic Moon god.
And how exactly does it invalidate my experience? I met Jesus.
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| Quote ="tb"So, accepting your premise: there's no point in prayer - except as sycophancy. It also, incidentally, says that your 'conversion' experience where you personally met Jesus (who is but one aspect of the triune god) didn't happen.'"
Or Jesus told him dad has packed in the interceding business...
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| Quote ="cod'ead"But only if the admit that they have sinned, since when does loving someone become a sin? If they have not sinned, they have nothing to confess'"
Lustful thoughts and actions outside of Biblical marriage ARE sinful.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller" I met Jesus.'"
Daft t[iw[/iat.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Lustful thoughts and actions outside of Biblical marriage ARE sinful.'"
According to whom?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Quote ="kirkstaller"Lustful thoughts and actions outside of Biblical marriage ARE sinful.'"
According to whom?'"
Jesus told him when he popped round for tea and scones.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Daft t[iw[/iat.'"
Aren't you a clever boy.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"
And how exactly does it invalidate my experience? I met Jesus.'"
Not if you stick by your statement that God doesn't intercede you didn't.
If you did meet Jesus (which of course you didn't - you had an episode in your mind, but that's another argument) then clearly God does intercede.
In fact, he goes around having one-to-one meetings with people, though only some people. And this depite the fact that actually meeting everybody would easily be within the power of an omnipotent and universal god, and save everybody from the eternity of torture he's got waiting for them. Why would an omnipotent, universal and omniscient god not what to do that? The only possible answer is sadism?
By the way, if you claim that your belief is based on meeting Jesus, you've just destroyed faith - a central tenet of your own theology.
oops.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Quote ="Rock God X"Daft t[iw[/iat.'"
Aren't you a clever boy.'"
If by that you mean 'do you only believe things for which evidence exists?', then, yes. Yes, I am.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"If by that you mean 'do you only believe things for which evidence exists?', then, yes. Yes, I am.'"
and so you abuse people over and over because they believe in different things to you?
Seems to me you are intolerant.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Quote ="Rock God X"If by that you mean 'do you only believe things for which evidence exists?', then, yes. Yes, I am.'"
and so you abuse people over and over because they believe in different things to you?
Seems to me you are intolerant.'"
I'm hugely intolerant of subhuman scum like kirkstaller, yes.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller" I met Jesus.'"
I am Napoleon Bonaparte
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| Quote ="tb"Not if you stick by your statement that God doesn't intercede you didn't.
If you did meet Jesus (which of course you didn't - you had an episode in your mind, but that's another argument) then clearly God does intercede.
In fact, he goes around having one-to-one meetings with people, though only some people. And this depite the fact that actually meeting everybody would easily be within the power of an omnipotent and universal god, and save everybody from the eternity of torture he's got waiting for them. Why would an omnipotent, universal and omniscient god not what to do that? The only possible answer is sadism?
By the way, if you claim that your belief is based on meeting Jesus, you've just destroyed faith - a central tenet of your own theology.
oops.'"
There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start
Interceding in world events is different to being open to a relationship freely sought by us, mankind. You seem jealous that God only has 1-2-1 meeting with 'some of us' - this is a good thing, it means you too want the same relationship - however, this opportunity is only open to those who are open to it.
I also think you need to revisit the Biblical definition of faith.
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| The English language didn't exist when the bible was written. Thinking that it defines the meaning of English words is just another sign of a delusional mind.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start
Interceding in world events is different to being open to a relationship freely sought by us, mankind. You seem jealous that God only has 1-2-1 meeting with 'some of us' - this is a good thing, it means you too want the same relationship -[u however, this opportunity is only open to those who are open to it.[/u
I also think you need to revisit the Biblical definition of faith.'"
So Jesus will only visit us if we want him to? If I am such a non believer and Jesus wants me to follow him, why doesn't he come to me to convince me?
Reminds me a lot of DisneyWorld - if you close your eyes I can really believe it is actually Mickey Mouse stood in front of me - on the other hand if you don't subscribe to the Disney Magic its a bloke in a suit.
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| I remember when someone posted a link to a detailed picture of the billions of stars out there, billions of suns, some bigger some similar some smaller, law of averages would state that there would be a planet circling with life on it, that alone helps me continue my life without God or Allah or any other magic man in the sky.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I'm hugely intolerant of subhuman scum like kirkstaller, yes.'"
There is no need for that.
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