They are creating mass vaccination centres - the North East and Yorkshire are amongst the highest for giving the first vaccination so less of a worry for us.

There will always be people who die unexpectedly of illnesses they shouldn't die of - physiology. The vast majority of those who have died of COVID are 80+ and a % would have died of something.

Perhaps rather than lock everyone down we should have simply shielded these people and everyone else continue as normal?

We are currently testing c2.5m people a week c350k a day. Even Germany who were light years ahead of us admitted their track and trace couldn't cope once the number increased significantly.

I would agree the government's handling of this has been poor but if we had locked down earlier would that have been the correct strategy? PPE when you look into it no hospital actually ran out - so scaremongery.

Is the cure more harmful than the illness?

Demonstrably proven to be so.
Debt that can never be repaid back = less money for health and social care, national infrastructure
Crashed economy with a million extra out of work

Suicides/suicide attempts increase 69% (using London ambulance service numbers) this equates to an additional 36,000 over the country, lost life years from this outweigh over those that have died with a positive test alone. Children killing themselves because they can't cope with the reaction/actions by government, actions by teachers, police and others backing the government strategy! Mental health an all time low across all age groups, this on its own has a bigger impact on physical health and well being according to studies, elderly simply giving up on life because of the actions by government, I've witnessed this first hand



Increased deaths from cancer due to removed treatments and non diagnosis, some research suggests up to 60,000 more deaths from first lockdown to 12 months post that, and more deaths because treatment, ops and diagnosis will continue to be removed/reduced for years to come.

Deaths of the vulnerable in care homes being prematurely discharged from hospital, utterly unfit to be discharged, these people did not die FROM covid but with a positive test, dying from their underlying health conditions, they died because there was no health or social care packages in place, a significant portion of them not being able to eat properly/feed themselves (I know this from my own work in social care). This is how you create a spike in deaths along with forced/coerced DNR in tens of thousands of care homes!

Millions of vulnerable people left isolated, fearful such that if they had medical problems there was no-one there for them, heart attack and stroke sufferers simply dying with no help coming or too late because of fear of calling for ambulance, reduced ambulance servies, reduced hospital services and beds (at least 8,000 taken out of hospitals), relatives or friends no longer visiting/looking out for because being told to stay away, all things that increase death and suffering!

Tell people to stay indoors, tell them Vitamin D has no impact on health (Matt Hancock's lies regards this are criminal just on their own), so the vulnerable already deficit of Vit D from the winter of 2019/20 get naff all Vit D throughout the summer, come autumn/winter people immune compromised so more people are going to die.

Remove human rights left right and centre, utilise police to remove innate rights, to bully, attack and assault people for breaking no laws, meanwhile criminals including drivers get away quite literally all and sundry. Drug dealers must be laughing their titties off with lack of plod because they are all bust acting like the East German stasi!
Billions piddled away on a track and trace system that could never possibly work, billions piddled away on ventilators that were never ever needed and could not possibly have been needed.

Billions wasted on pointless 'PPE' that even the Health and safety Executive state is not and cannot be considered PPE except in medical situations (we have lots of research that proves even in theatre face coverings/masks cause worse outcomes), that's before you get to the pollution all these garments cause when disposed.
millions/billions wasted on 'Nightingale' hospitals that never got used because hospitals were never overstretched more than any other winter periods. Right now 80% of major hospital trusts have spare ICU beds.

Billions piddled away on medical treatments being falsely described as a 'miracle' that has had no proper testing, has no true efficacy, cannot prevent infection or death, MIGHT reduce symptoms in the fit and healthy but as admitted by PHE they have no idea what it will do. We already know that people supposedly whom have contracted covid have a higher protection/immunity than the poison they are forcing/coercing people to take!

Oh and if you don't take this poison that has already killed thousands (government can't have it both ways, deaths post covid 'vaccine' are vaccine deaths right, because same thing is being applied to post covid positive deceased been counted as a covid death xx days post test?

) and done massive harm to others in all age groups just in the short term.
So you don't get to be part of society, we've seen the 'vaccination' passports been touted by government, Germany and Australia are pretty much already down this route, so needing a 'passport' for work, travel, attending sporting occasions, going into shops, hospitals and so on, completely breaking human rights all over the shop!

Elite's profiting from the 'pandemic' by trillions of dollars whilst another 130 million people go into food poverty at least, small businesses destroyed, tracking of all people via CCTV 24/7 (this already happens in Chinese cities), removal of cash is just around the corner (China is already down this route massively)
The list is endless as to why the reaction, there is no 'cure', is worse for all of us. But too many are in cognitive dissonance, attacking those fighting not just for themselves but for the attackers freedoms too, these people simply begging for restrictions that have zero impact on viruses but cause more deaths and untold harm and misery to billions of people!

But getting a hard on to be next in the queue for the poison seems to be de rigueur here and elsewhere.

What an opportunity to go visit your precious club for the first time now st Helens has been set up for vaccinations

Wow. Just popped in to see how the discussion was going. Some great discussion but that last post from 48756c6c20 524c4643 is a doozy.
Pretty much gets all the fake news and conspiracies on the go into one post.

I think he's done a sweep of the David Icke forums. I'm just surprised he hasn't mentioned 'the great reset'.

Brainwashed morons. They absorb any nonsense, fact check nothing, and ignore all genuine evidence that doesn't support their viewpoint. Most of their information originates from a very few sources, it's all recirculated and they call it "research". Icke and people like him, know exactly what they are doing. They know the world is full of morons so why be a failed footballer or a bog standard TV sports presenter when you can have tens of thousands of idiots slobbering over any old c**k.
Putin's 5th column doing exactly as instructed.

Is there anyone on here who wouldn't have the vaccine if it were? I would go at anytime to get the jab.

My dad has had it (75) and my wife is going tomorrow (NHS worker). I'm way down the priority list, but I'll go when it's my turn.

Regarding the whole Covid fiasco, is it just me who's sick of seeing hospital wards rammed with victims?

Every night old Clive Myrie is on showing the shocking toll it's taking on the health service, but the bit what gets my goat is when they interview another patient rasping through a mask that "this pandemic is real". I know its real, I don't need endless people to tell me.

What would be more refreshing & illuminating would be if they said how they ended up getting it, because they sure as hell can't have been as careful as me.

I agree that, watching the "same" thing every night on the news is losing any "effect" but, although there are plenty of people, perhaps like yourself, following the rules and doing what they can to avoid contracting the virus, there are plenty that are STILL not taking it seriously.
With regard to contracting the virus, I posted this a couple of weeks ago.
My sister, who works in the admin department of a small London school contracted the virus at work, as did her son, who works in the kitchen at the same school.
Are you suggesting that they shouldn't go to work ?
They have food etc delivered to their house and dont go out or socialise. To say they are not being careful is insulting, although, I have no idea what their work colleagues or the students at their school get up to when they aren't at school.

You dont have to be reckless or break the rules to contract the virus.

which bits are fake news and I'll disprove you wrong on all counts using real science not the made up BS coming out from the government

Still conflating 'contracting' something that is made up from a bunk test, covid positive is NOT an infection, how many more times! The tests cannot detect infection, jesus wept, so much anti scienceand misinformation on here same as that from the government! and MSM
I spent hours with my covid positive grandson, we were blowing raspberries at each other whilst indulging in a game of Frankenstein's monster where we replace our limbs with that from animals so we have 'super' powers. Two separate occasions we played for more than 3 hours with direct face to face contact huffing and puffing. How can he possibly not have given me covid (someone who is extremely vulnerable/immune compromised according to my letters I get from the government), or my partner or his mother, or his dad, or his siblings if 'it' is so infectious, all but myself tested twice since our interactions?

Because the test is total BS, proper science proves the testing is simply nonsense, yet it's that which is driving the 'cases', the R number and the lies regards the death toll. No wonder WHO wanted to 'test, test, 'test' knowing it would show up a 'novel virus' that doesn't exist except when you generate it using a computer algorithm and in fill the sequence pairs then set the test based on that fraudulent set of sequences that exist in all humans and primates. Hence the more cycles of the PCR you do the more false positives you get.
The French already prove how bunk PCR was, detecting infection in less than 3% of the positives at 35cycles, have a guess how many our government tell the labs to do here so that there are more cases?

You people are living in la la land and believe every last lie coming from the tyrannical despots in government, no wonder the country and the planet is going to hell in a handcart

.RLWC is well and truly off the agenda, the health secretary has already stated (on Monday) that lockdown is going to end.

Interesting that you talk about la la land.
Nuff said

Check this man's hard drive.

So what, in your opinion is the end game?

The spikes we are now seeing have little to do with working practices, more to do with Christmas. Whilst the Government could be blamed for the mixed message fiasco, even if they'd have said Christmas is cancelled, it wouldn't have stopped people meeting up.

I would have loved to have spent some time with my family over the holiday, but I understood the consequences were just too great. So here we are, with Joe Bloggs from Newcastle wearing an oxygen mask proclaiming the virus is a real threat, with the caveat he met up with three families over the festive period.

Referring back to my family members, they contracted the virus pre Christmas and thankfully have now both returned to work but, it was certainly nothing to do with socialising over the festive period, as they were too ill and had already planned to spend Christmas alone.
Interestingly, my sisters partner has remained ok and hasn't contracted the virus despite spending his time in the same relatively small flat.

FWIW, I disagree about the current "spikes" being work related.
Although there is little doubt that many people contract the virus at work (my family members included), the meeting up at Christmas, in some cases with people who have travelled from other areas, was a sure fire way to increase the spread.
Hence the (very) late attempt by Bojo & Co to try and restrict gatherings.

The message should have gone out well before Christmas to suggest that where possible people spend Christmas with their immediate household/bubble, it was ridiculous to try and expand contact when the virus was already spreading rapidly.

Not for the first time Bojo was too keen to be popular, instead of getting a grip on the situation.

Citation please for all the claims you have made, mr armchair phd professor.

Have to say following the information from Israel and now from the BMA about the efficacy of one vaccine dose rather than two I have revised my view and feel that both doses should be given especially to the vulnerable within recommended guidelines. This would be within the 4 week period recommended or at least along the lines of within 6 weeks as British doctors are recommending. It appears that the policy may be more about getting people back to Work rather than dealing with the outbreak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55777084 The concerns about new variants is also concerning and the speed of changes could lead to more risks around vaccine breakout

Have to say following the information from Israel and now from the BMA about the efficacy of one vaccine dose rather than two I have revised my view and feel that both doses should be given especially to the vulnerable within recommended guidelines. This would be within the 4 week period recommended or at least along the lines of within 6 weeks as British doctors are recommending. It appears that the policy may be more about getting people back to Work rather than dealing with the outbreak. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55777084 The concerns about new variants is also concerning and the speed of changes could lead to more risks around vaccine breakout

Another example of shocking policy decisions by the government. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... SApp_Other I don’t know how the DVLA’s systems work but many of the roles could be done at home remotely afaik and alternatively decisions could be made to say extend MOT’s, amnesties on driving licence renewals etc to reduce the number of staff required to work No wonder the death rate is so high when even when we are apparently in “lockdown” it’s clear it is only a “half a lockdown”. The longer this goes on in such a half hearted way the longer and greater the risks become to everyone because of the virus.

Another example of shocking policy decisions by the government. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... SApp_Other I don’t know how the DVLA’s systems work but many of the roles could be done at home remotely afaik and alternatively decisions could be made to say extend MOT’s, amnesties on driving licence renewals etc to reduce the number of staff required to work No wonder the death rate is so high when even when we are apparently in “lockdown” it’s clear it is only a “half a lockdown”. The longer this goes on in such a half hearted way the longer and greater the risks become to everyone because of the virus.

I would expect our government to do a bit more than the average punter - it's ok for us, most of the time, to bin that little bit of paper full of densely-written instructions that comes with our drugs. They, on the other hand, really should pay attention to it.

The government need to start producing stats of those people testing positive who have had the one Pfizer jab - that will then put this to bed one way or the other.

Does the vaccine stop you from catching COVID - not sure it does, or maybe I’ve misunderstood it

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