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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Marriage goes back to Eden and is as old as mankind itself.'"
So how come the Christians have hijacked the concept?
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"So how come the Christians have hijacked the concept?'"
How has it been hijacked when God instituted it?
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| Quote ="Bearded"Considering marriage pre-dates Christianity it seems odd to use the biblical definition of it. Or was that religious leaders imposing 1st Century values onto it?'"
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Skin colour makes no difference when it comes to sex. If we are talking about the love which leads to marriage and I presume we are given the topic of the OP, then sex has to be a part of that. Straight sex and gay sex are different, at the very least because of the gender issues. Therefore, the love between a straight couple and a gay couple cannot be the same. I'm not saying it is wrong; I'm making no value judgement at all. But to state the two are the same is illogical, simply due to the sexual element.'"
Hey, I don’t know your moves, I don’t know what you are doing when you do the sexing. You don’t know what I do, I could be doing something so awesome you cant even imagine it. You seem kind of prudish so im imagining you aren’t being half as kinky as some people. Not all heterosexuals do it the same way.The rusty trombone, Bagpiping ,arabaian goggles, the dog and the fire hydrant, there’s a whole world of different things out there
Seems kind of perverted though that you spend so much time thinking about the actual practicalities of how other people have sex and what group you think that makes them though.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"No. As opposed to you, who did not describe what I described.'"
We pretty much described the same thing, you just focussed on the bad things more.
Quote It fits better with my view of the world because my view of the world is based upon my experience of the world. My experience of the world is no more or less a lie than is yours.'" You have needed to invent a whole man in the sky to explain yours. I didnt. Yours is a lie, mine might be wrong, but it isn’t an invention.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Marriage goes back to [size=150Eden[/size and is as old as mankind itself.'" Did they have dinosaurs in Eden?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Did they have dinosaurs in Eden?'"
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"How has it been hijacked when God instituted it?'"
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Did they have dinosaurs in Eden?'"
Genesis tells us that land animals were created on the 6th day.
They may or may not have lived in Eden.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Genesis tells us that land animals were created on the 6th day.
They may or may not have lived in Eden.'"
You would think someone would have mentioned a big T-Rex roaming about though wouldn’t you.
And what about the animals which evolved from Dinosaurs like Birds?
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| Quote ="kirkstaller" ... It might be fashionable to advocate senior women clergy, but it is unbiblical and un-Christian...'"
Just out of curiosity ... why is it unbiblical and un-Christian?
What did Jesus have to say on the subject?
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| My favourite part of Genesis is where God creates the objects that emit light three days after he creates light.
Apparently, God is not very bright.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You would think someone would have mentioned a big T-Rex roaming about though wouldn’t you.
And what about the animals which evolved from Dinosaurs like Birds?'"
Steady fella, steady ... evolution is heresy, didn't you know that?
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| The feminists on here might like this one
One day, Eve was walking in the garden with the Lord. She said, "Lord, the garden is wonderful, and the animals and birds provide such joy, but I am still lonely sometimes."
"No problem!" the Lord replied. "I will make you a man for a companion. He will desire to please you and to be with you. But I have to warn you, he won't be perfect. He'll have a difficult time understanding your feelings, will tend to think only of himself, and will stay out late with his bowling buddies."
"What's bowling?" Eve asked.
"Oh... never mind. I was just getting ahead of myself, sorry."
"That's OK. I think I can handle this 'man'," Eve replied.
"Great, I'll get right to it!" God said, and started grabbing some mud and shaping it.
Suddenly, the Lord stopped and said to Eve, "Oh, there's one other thing about this man I'm making for you."
"What's that?" asked Eve.
"You'll have to tell him he was here first."
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The vote was lost by only six votes, and that was only in the house of laity. Those against ordination of women as bishops have been quoted as saying their problem was with the legislation. They wanted those 'in conscience' who could not vote in favour to be allowed an exception, much like the case is for those who 'in conscience' cannot accept women priests are catered for now.
The CofE is unique as a religious organisation, and indeed almost so as an organisation per se, because unlike any other it represents a massively diverse set of people, with very diverse beliefs, in the UK and all over the world. Trying to secure a consensus in an organisation with so much diversity is almost impossible.'"
It's their club, I suppose they can set the rules, but lets remove the charitable status of any organisation that refuses to abide by equal opportunities laws.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"You would think someone would have mentioned a big T-Rex roaming about though wouldn’t you.'"
Why?
Quote And what about the animals which evolved from Dinosaurs like Birds?'"
Haha, birds didn't evolve from dinosaurs. Birds and other flying animals were created on the 5th day.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"My favourite part of Genesis is where God creates the objects that emit light three days after he creates light.
Apparently, God is not very bright.'"
Are you saying that the sun is the only source of light in the universe? And are you also saying that an omnipotent God cannot create light himself?
Please cover the basics before making snide remarks.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Just out of curiosity ... why is it unbiblical and un-Christian?
What did Jesus have to say on the subject?'"
Actually, Jesus didn't provide much detail about his church. However he did hand over responsibilty to Peter (and to a lesser extent, Paul) and their God-breathed scriptures are crystal clear on the issue of female authority in church.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Actually, Jesus didn't provide much detail about his church. However he did hand over responsibilty to Peter (and to a lesser extent, Paul) and their God-breathed scriptures are crystal clear on the issue of female authority in church.'"
You mean those stories that took over two centuries to write down and have had many, many translations and rewrites over the centuries, the latest being written many centuries ago to fit in with what an English king wanted, those god breathed scriptures? No more than a giant game of Chinese whispers and spin.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Why?'" Well if today you had met both a talking snake who told you to eat an apple, and a T-rex which story would you think you would try and save for posterity? A snake interested in you getting your five a day, or a massive carnivorous killing machine far beyond the scale of anything alive today?
Quote Haha, birds didn't evolve from dinosaurs. Birds and other flying animals were created on the 5th day.'" What about a Pterosaur?
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| Marriage, safe with the theists...
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"You mean those stories that took over two centuries to write down and have had many, many translations and rewrites over the centuries, the latest being written many centuries ago to fit in with what an English king wanted, those god breathed scriptures? No more than a giant game of Chinese whispers and spin.'"
You can have a look at the many codexes for youself if you so wish. Apart from the end of Mark you will find very few discrepancies.
Doesn't really tie-in with the picture painted above
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Well if today you had met both a talking snake who told you to eat an apple, and a T-rex which story would you think you would try and save for posterity? A snake interested in you getting your five a day, or a massive carnivorous killing machine far beyond the scale of anything alive today?'"
You've made a massive error and you don't even know it because you've never read the scriptures.
Before the fall of man, all dinosaurs were herbivores.
Please go and read a Bible before asking any more silly questions
Quote What about a Pterosaur?'"
What about them?
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"Are you saying that the sun is the only source of light in the universe? '"
No. That's why I said 'objects' and not 'object'.
Quote ="kirkstaller"And are you also saying that an omnipotent God cannot create light himself?'"
I'm saying that an omnipotent god wouldn't be stupid enough to create light, then decide three days later that he's going to create the things that will forever more be the source of all light and do away with the thing that was emitting the light for the first three days.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"
Before the fall of man, all dinosaurs were herbivores.
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Bless.
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