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| Quote ="cod'ead"Envious are we?'"
of what, Coogan, he's less funny than Moyles!
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| Quote ="Standee"of what, Coogan, he's less funny than Moyles!'"
He's not my cup of tea as a comedian, but he's been very successful in acting roles as well, which means he's obviously more than just a stand up.
Away from his work, he's always seemed quite erudite when I've seen him interviewed, and doesn't strike me as a media whore at all. Don't really know what you're on about with this one.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Coogan is simply a "jobbing comedian". Fame comes with success.
He's never been one (as far as I know) for turning up at crappy film premiers, TV Heat magazine awards, a la Kerry Katona, Jordan, latest Big Brother failure, etc
He's never been one (again, as far as I know) for giving a 'story' to the media on a daily basis, a la Madonna, Lady Gaga etc
He's simply "doing his job", and is famous as a consequence. His private life should not be invaded. Good luck Coogan, in getting justice for yourself'"
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| Quote ="Standee"what utter crap
as much as hacking is despicable, the self righteous testemony of Coogan and Grant leaves a bad taste.'"
Steve Coofans day job may mean he's in the public eye but everyone is entitled to a private life..... As people have said he doesn't whore himself out to the media.
As for Hugh Grant, can't say I particularly like him but the hounding of the mother of his child was pretty disgusting.
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| I rather liked Piers Morgan's tweet....[iI do hope Nelson Mandela was watching Hugh Grant today, so he now understands what real persecution is all about.[/i
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| Quote ="rumpelstiltskin"I rather liked Piers Morgan's tweet....[iI do hope Nelson Mandela was watching Hugh Grant today, so he now understands what real persecution is all about.[/i'"
What sort of person follows Piers Morgan on twitter?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"What sort of person follows Piers Morgan on twitter?
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I preferred the tweet from @RogerQuimbly [i"I'm sorry to hear about Piers Morgan. Nothing's happened to him, I'm just sorry to hear about him"[/i
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| It was on the Guy Fawkes blog....
And I also wonder who would follow Piers Morgan!
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| Who the hell cares what Piers =#FF0000(naugthy!
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Back to the topic.
People in the public eye are generally entitled to privacy.
Only when they consent to their private lives being publicised or when it is in the public interest (as opposed to "the public might be titillated"icon_wink.gif should their privacy be intruded upon.
It's actually very simple.
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| Quote ="rumpelstiltskin"I rather liked Piers Morgan's tweet....[iI do hope Nelson Mandela was watching Hugh Grant today, so he now understands what real persecution is all about.[/i'"
Piers Morgan is a tossbag. What is he trying to say? That because Mandella was imprisoned for several years, Hugh Grant should just quietly accept the behaviour of certain less savoury elements of the British press?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Who the hell cares what Piersinmorgan thinks?
Back to the topic.
People in the public eye are generally entitled to privacy.
Only when they consent to their private lives being publicised or when it is in the public interest (as opposed to "the public might be titillated"icon_wink.gif should their privacy be intruded upon.
It's actually very simple.'"
If a rulebook is needed after this enquiry then they could do worse than to go to Katie Price and ask her to write it, if anyone knows how to whore themselves to the media whilst applying double standards to how much access they can have to a disabled son, then its her.
The rules will change from week to week of course dependant on how many womens trash mags you've managed to blag your way onto.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Hugh Grant should just quietly accept the behaviour of certain [uless savoury elements of the British press[/u?'"
Of which, Morgan is a prime example
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Of which, Morgan is a prime example'"
Quite. I don't know how the hell he managed to get on the telly. I'd rather watch a pile of recently severed puppies' heads decompose than sit through an hour of his unbearable smugness.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"He's not my cup of tea as a comedian, but he's been very successful in acting roles as well, which means he's obviously more than just a stand up.
Away from his work, he's always seemed quite erudite when I've seen him interviewed, and doesn't strike me as a media whore at all. Don't really know what you're on about with this one.'"
Coogan is a considerable way from a favourite of mine too – as is Hugh Grant. Or Max Mosely, for that matter.
But as you say, there is a great deal of difference between seeking the attention of the media at all times and having a career that puts you in the spotlight.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"or when it is in the public interest (as opposed to "the public might be titillated"icon_wink.gif should their privacy be intruded upon.
It's actually very simple.'"
Aside from this particular topic - or alongside it - who defines "in the public interest" and how do you define it in such a way that it both protects privacy but allows for those items which are in the public interest to be reported?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Aside from this particular topic - or alongside it - who defines "in the public interest" and how do you define it in such a way that it both protects privacy but allows for those items which are in the public interest to be reported?'"
An example: back when John Major was still PM, one of his junior ministers at the time, Tim Yeo, got up at the Conservative Party conference in October and gave a speech slamming single mothers as a major problem in society etc.
About a month later, it was revealed by a paper (can't recall which) that the married Yeo had been having an affair with a single woman who was pregnant with his child.
That's in the public interest – not because he had sex, but because he was in government at the time and it was clearly a case of 'not do as I do but do as I say'.
Max Mosley's kinky proclivities is not – unless he has, at some stage, stood up and, for instance, used his public position to claim that kinky people were pervs who should be shot (or something to that effect). The [iScrews[/i had to try to set him up in such a way that he would make a Nazi salute and therefore give them some justification for publication – on the basis of who his father was.
Similarly, the revelations about Angus Deayton – and nobody was remotely interested in what he'd done that was illegal (snort coke) but only his having sex with prostitutes. Deayton, through [iHIGNFY[/i had ridiculed the double standards of minister and others, but since he had not himself ever made a statement about what he considered morally acceptable etc, he was not himself guilty of those double standards – which [iwould[/i have given a public interest justification.
To be frank, I suspect that most of us in the trade know and completely understand this. It's not rocket science.
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| Quote ="Mintball"To be frank, I suspect that most of us in the trade know and completely understand this. It's not rocket science.'"
It may not be rocket science to those "in the trade", but I suspect when it comes time to put some sort of proper privacy laws onto the statute books the trade won't be writing them. Indeed, it will be the one pulling at the edges of any legislation trying to find loopholes under which it can publish salacious material dressed up as public interest to increase circulation.
For every clear cut case, there will be one which sits somewhere on the margins, and those margins will be set by judges dictating precedent. Given the ways things went with super-injunctions and the judiciary - grant first, ask questions later - it's likely to lead to public interest having a very narrow legal definition and many worthwhile stories prevented from being published.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"It may not be rocket science to those "in the trade", but I suspect when it comes time to put some sort of proper privacy laws onto the statute books the trade won't be writing them. Indeed, it will be the one pulling at the edges of any legislation trying to find loopholes under which it can publish salacious material dressed up as public interest to increase circulation.
For every clear cut case, there will be one which sits somewhere on the margins, and those margins will be set by judges dictating precedent. Given the ways things went with super-injunctions and the judiciary - grant first, ask questions later - it's likely to lead to public interest having a very narrow legal definition and many worthwhile stories prevented from being published.'"
So the status quo, then? What we have is not acceptable. We have commoditised private life – with enormous cost. The story of the Watson's is just utterly tragic and depressing. So too of Mosley's son. The grotesque treatment meted out to the like of Christopher Jeffries – it is absolutely unacceptable.
Mind, I keep asking (and people keep avoiding – and this is not aimed at you specifically, Andy), what about the responsibility of those who buy the tripe? They're at least as culpable and at least as pathetic as those who write and publish it. Without them, there's no market ...
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| Quote ="Mintball"So status quo, then?
Mind, I keep asking (and people keep avoiding – this is not aiamed at you specifically, Andy), what about the responsibility of those who buy the tripe? They're at least as culpable and at least as pathetic as those who write and publish it. Without them, there's no market ...'"
Status quo in the short term, but the more this story runs and grows the louder the clamour is going to become for a "proper" privacy law. The press may want to start thinking very carefully about how it is seen to behave, lest it reaps the consequences by having to operate with one hand behind its back in future.
You haven't been listening to the Colombian president again have you? That's like blaming the users for the drug trade - just because someone buys Heat magazine once a week doesn't make them responsible for Milly Dowler's phone being hacked.
I wouldn't be so keen to describe someone as "pathetic" on the basis of their reading choices either - different strokes for different folks, as Max Mosley might have said...
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"If a rulebook is needed after this enquiry then they could do worse than to go to Katie Price and ask her to write it, if anyone knows how to whore themselves to the media whilst applying double standards to how much access they can have to a disabled son, then its her.
The rules will change from week to week of course dependant on how many womens trash mags you've managed to blag your way onto.'"
I've no love for that slapper at all, but when it comes to access to her son, I think she's actually in the right. She's the one who's shagged her way to fame, not him..
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| There was a good article in the Guardian by [url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/nov/21/leveson-inquiry-investigative-journalism-lawalex bailin[/url
There must be a balance and the treatment of the Dowlers was inexcuseable. However, if it comes down to a choice between upsetting a film actor, or curtailing good investigative journalists and their abilities to root out corruption, then I'd be firmly in the journalists' camp.
For me, the star of the Leveson Inquirey is Robert Jay QC. I certainly enjoyed his gentle admonishments to Hugh Grant, that opinion, supposition, or what his friends believed were not actually evidence......
So that'll be 95% of his case filed in the waste paper bin then!
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| Quote ="Scooter Nik"I've no love for that slapper at all, but when it comes to access to her son, I think she's actually in the right. She's the one who's shagged her way to fame, not him..'"
She's also the one who's been quite happy to play on the fact he's severely disabled in newspaper and magazine stories when she's wanted some public sympathy...
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"I wouldn't be so keen to describe someone as "pathetic" on the basis of their reading choices either - different strokes for different folks, as Max Mosley might have said...'"
When reading choices have an impact on the life of someone that one is reading voyeuristically about ...
Would you, for instance, think that those who read terrorist manuals or materials designed to encourage terrorist acts have no responsibility for what their reading choices are or the impact that the publication of those might have?
Different strokes, etc.
Personally, I have no comprehension of why anyone wants to spend money buying any of the trashy gossip rags that have grown up like weeds in recent years.
Why do people want to read the details of other's lives – whether those who do not parade their private lives or those like Katie Price who do?
Why? Someone explain it to me: why do you care? What right do you have to poke your nose into their lives? What do you get out of reading this trash that improves your life and how?
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| Quote ="rumpelstiltskin"... There must be a balance and the treatment of the Dowlers was inexcuseable. However, if it comes down to a choice between upsetting a film actor, or curtailing good investigative journalists and their abilities to root out corruption, then I'd be firmly in the journalists' camp...'"
You talk of "treatment". What was different about the "treatment of the Dowlers that you say (rightly) was inexcusable and the treatment of the Watsons or the treatment of Mosley? Or yes, of Grant?
If the treatment was "inexcusable" in one case, why not in others?
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| Quote ="Mintball"Would you, for instance, think that those who read terrorist manuals or materials designed to encourage terrorist acts have no responsibility for what their reading choices are or the impact that the publication of those might have?'"
I hardly think Al Qaeda are worried about circulation figures, at least no more than Nuts magazine are encouraging jihad.
A poor choice of comparison.
I'll say it again - the readership of NoTW, or its kind, should not be held responsible for the actions its owners and managers took (or turned a blind eye to) in order to obtain stories, particularly given that they weren't aware of the methods that were being used at the time to gather information.
You may as well criticize the Fritzls neighbours for not reporting to Social Services that two old folks were going through a wheelbarrow of food between them every week.
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