no, i don't. and, nope.

you clearly do, as you keep wheeling out this ridiculous analogy. for it to be even remotely true, i must have 'a team'.

Different tests and different benefits mate.

The only no answer is if you are in a wheelchair with no means to self propel. Yep, even if you can self propel in a wheelchair only scores you low points, a motorised wheelchair or mobilty scooter scores you 0 points as you have the means to "travel" 20 metres. I am hoping when it comes to mine they take into account the damage to my wrists, hands and shoulder and realise I can't self propel. Even then you need proof that you can't do it. A leg amputee has no excuse either, having a prosthetic leg scores low points too

i'm sorry, from your quote i thought the question was 'can you walk 50m'.
you still answer 'no'.

Its phrased as "mobilise" 20 metres.

still 'no'. always 'no'.

Another problem is it doesn't take into account fluctuating conditions. A no means not ever and we need to see proof of you never being able to walk/mobilise20 metres again. This is my point. DLA was/is hard to get, but you were able to give an account of the bigger picture, the new PIP is a tick box computer system called LIMA with a yes or no answer. I answer no and they have CCTV footage of me struggling in the car park and walking further than 20metres, (which is a laugh in itself as some disabled parking is more than 20m away from your destination) and I will be done for fraud and be labelled a liar and scrounger.

Theres things going on in the background for PIP and to make it fairer, the fight is not over yet.

Ah, I said "fit for work" when we are talking about DLA?
Sorry.

Blimey, that's even worse, it's not even English.

Blame the DWP, but just looking up the official meaning it says "to move around".

if it's a yes/no answer, then the answer is 'no'. it's that sodding easy. you've already said you don't get chance to explain anything. so why the hell do you want to?

as for the last bit, you're a true conspiracy theorist. or if you're that bothered, wear a disguise.

If the real answer is "not always" then the only answer that can be given is "yes"



Interesting that two of our more rabid, resident tories are so ambivalent to what is effectively benefit fraud

or no.

are they? who's that then?

Are you really suggesting I ask all of my health care professionals to [ilie[/i in their reports I have to send to ATOS and say I can't walk 20m [iall[/i of the time and are you really suggesting I commit fraud and pretend to be someone I'm not



You Tories need to make your minds up; either us disabled tell the truth and back it up with medical reports (if we are truly disabled we have nothing to fear, right?) or I tell blantent obvious lies and get Doctors, nurses, physios, surgeons and consultants to do the same just so I can retain a car??????? I must be dreaming

you have 2 possible choices, yes or no. there is no midway point as you yourself have pointed out. so, you're basically lying whichever one you choose.

No she is not, if the question is phrased in such a manner as to make a "no" outcome very difficult to achieve then "yes" is the only answer applicable.

And there is the crux of the matter, the question is phrased in such a manner as to achieve a "yes" answer in a huge proportion of replies, what it doesn't do is take into account any other mitigating circumstances - "Can you occasionally achieve mobility over 20 metres ?" will achieve a "yes" answer from the vast majority of claimants, even those for whom doing that once a month would be a massive achievement.

I don't really understand why you don't see that.

Well I do, but we live in hope.

Bingo!! You've finally realised the stupidness of it all!! The majority of the people who are already claiming high rate will now lose it all (with the exception of the permanent wheelchair bound) all because this stupid government don't or won't recognise there is an inbetween in almost all disabilities and illnessess.

Having read back what I've just written, on second thoughts I don't believe this government are stupid, I think they know exactly what they are doing.

I don't see any mention of pain / discomfort / recovery time required / repeatability etc etc.

... use of medication, variation under medication, type of terrain, stairs, etc, etc.

There's no consideration for fluctuation of ability either.

You won't because what Samwire is failing to mention is none of what you have both mentioned are taken into consideration. You are given the option of yes/no. Thats it, no inbetween.

*sigh*

i'm sorry, but unless the info in the link is utter , then it isn't just yes/no. you have several choices and you are also able to take into account personal situations. ffs.

You are misunderstanding the questions. You cannot eleborate on the question you have ticked. You have to chose one of the questions and answer yes/no to it. You have to "chose" the phrase that "fits" you and thats it. I cannot explain that I cannot do it repeatedly, safetly and in a timely fashion.

How can you possibly know anything about the system when you haven't been through it as I have? I don't think you qualified to comment really.