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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"It's amazing what lies are being circulated in the far right, Russian bot infested, facebook swamp.'"
And how many people take them at face value without doing a single bit of fact checking.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"And how many people take them at face value without doing a single bit of fact checking.'"
Don't be calling them stupid though as that really sets them off.
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| Ok, let me rephrase it.
Isnt he the dude that approved the decision not to prosecute the police offers that murdered that non white brazilian dude who couldnt speak english
"Keir Starmer QC, Director of Public Prosecutions, approved a decision not to prosecute any police over the shooting"
Given all this, it doesnt suprise me has signed up for "racism training".
First Jews and now blacks. If I was a chinese person living in england, I would be worried if Labour ever got in charge. Although quite frankly, thats never going to happen so probably no reason to worry
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| It's a classic bit of projection really. We all know that almost all real racists vote for far right, nationalist parties. And the Torty party is becoming a self-admitted English nationalist party under Johnson. But let's just try and smear the Labour party as being racist 'cos even though it doesn't make much sense when you look at it, it allows those on the right to pretend they are on the right side of history.
Now where's that report on Tory party islamophobia got to? Any progress on weeding out the nasties from local constituency parties?
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| Unfortunately as Islam is a religion rather than a race, the adulterous serial liar cant be accused of being racist.
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| Quote ="silver2"Unfortunately as Islam is a religion rather than a race, the adulterous serial liar cant be accused of being racist.'"
They COULD go down that route but if wanting to play silly buggers, if it were as simple as that couldn't Labour say they have a problem with the religion of Judaism not the race of people. They therefore have an institutional problem with Jews but not JEWS.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"It's a classic bit of projection really. We all know that almost all real racists vote for far right, nationalist parties. And the Torty party is becoming a self-admitted English nationalist party under Johnson. But let's just try and smear the Labour party as being racist 'cos even though it doesn't make much sense when you look at it, it allows those on the right to pretend they are on the right side of history.
Now where's that report on Tory party islamophobia got to? Any progress on weeding out the nasties from local constituency parties?'"
Unfortunatley, the tory party are busy running the country. They dont even have time to make videos of children having sex with adults.
Anti Semitismn, Racism and now peadophilia.
Good job the majority of the uk public can see through this disgusting excuse for a political party
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Unfortunatley, the tory party are busy running the country. They dont even have time to make videos of children having sex with adults.
Anti Semitismn, Racism and now peadophilia.
Good job the majority of the uk public can see through this disgusting excuse for a political party'" I think you'd better get back to Facebook.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"I think you'd better get back to Facebook.'"
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Unfortunatley, the tory party are busy running the country. They dont even have time to make videos of children having sex with adults.
Anti Semitismn, Racism and now peadophilia.
Good job the majority of the uk public can see through this disgusting excuse for a political party'"
Have you met Prince Andrew ?
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"It's a classic bit of projection really. We all know that almost all real racists vote for far right, nationalist parties. And the Torty party is becoming a self-admitted English nationalist party under Johnson. But let's just try and smear the Labour party as being racist 'cos even though it doesn't make much sense when you look at it, it allows those on the right to pretend they are on the right side of history.
Now where's that report on Tory party islamophobia got to? Any progress on weeding out the nasties from local constituency parties?'"
I am certain that in the interest and balance your next posting will highlight the modern day slavery in Leicester. The majority of Leicester members of Parliament are labour plus the mayor is labour. Black Lives Matter matter, apparently not so in Leicester.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"I am certain that in the interest and balance your next posting will highlight the modern day slavery in Leicester. The majority of Leicester members of Parliament are labour plus the mayor is labour. Black Lives Matter matter, apparently not so in Leicester.'"
Don't pretend you're outraged about Boohoo. Boohoo are a company who make a ton of profit from quick turnaround, cheap as chips, fast fashion with collections launched on an almost daily basis. You can get full outfits, delivered, for a pittance. How do you think they manage that? Wherever they get their clothes made, there's a good chance that someone is getting seriously exploited. Whether that be in Far Eastern sweatshops or right here in the UK. Blame capitalism and throwaway consumer culture if you're looking for someone to blame. I really don't see what the mayor of Leicester has to do with Boohoo's business model and supply chain!
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Don't pretend you're outraged about Boohoo. Boohoo are a company who make a ton of profit from quick turnaround, cheap as chips, fast fashion with collections launched on an almost daily basis. You can get full outfits, delivered, for a pittance. How do you think they manage that? Wherever they get their clothes made, there's a good chance that someone is getting seriously exploited. Whether that be in Far Eastern sweatshops or right here in the UK. Blame capitalism and throwaway consumer culture if you're looking for someone to blame. I really don't see what the mayor of Leicester has to do with Boohoo's business model and supply chain!'"
I am not outraged at all, to be honest I had never heard of boohoo. I reserve my scorn and disdain for all political parties in this country. Over the last 20 years I have witnessed the downward spiral of life for a large section of the people of this country. As for imports from overseas, obviously we have very little control over pay and conditions in Asian sweat shops. However we should have control in factories in the uk, eg minimum wage and safe working conditions. I merely pointed out that these factories were operating under the noses of a labour mayor and council. If the same had occurred under a so called Tory party I would cheerfully make the same comments. I find it touchingly naive that people in this country think that some political party will make a dramatic improvement in people’s lives. However they have demonstrated time after time ,they can destroy the fabric and well being of large sections of the United Kingdom.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"I am not outraged at all, to be honest I had never heard of boohoo. I reserve my scorn and disdain for all political parties in this country. Over the last 20 years I have witnessed the downward spiral of life for a large section of the people of this country. As for imports from overseas, obviously we have very little control over pay and conditions in Asian sweat shops. However we should have control in factories in the uk, eg minimum wage and safe working conditions. I merely pointed out that these factories were operating under the noses of a labour mayor and council. If the same had occurred under a so called Tory party I would cheerfully make the same comments. I find it touchingly naive that people in this country think that some political party will make a dramatic improvement in people’s lives. However they have demonstrated time after time ,they can destroy the fabric and well being of large sections of the United Kingdom.'"
Who has been in power for the last decade? Which councils have been hit hardest by austerity over the last decade? See if you can make the connection.
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| A report was passed to the government last year regarding this very problem with several recommendations but surprise surprise nothing was done. The Government also rejected a change to the law that would allow a council to check on working conditions inside a building, to enforce the minimum wage or to monitor the legality of the workforce. I am surprised that Johnson did not know this when he blamed them or was he just trying to pass the buck again.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"A report was passed to the government last year regarding this very problem with several recommendations but surprise surprise nothing was done. The Government also rejected a change to the law that would allow a council to check on working conditions inside a building, to enforce the minimum wage or to monitor the legality of the workforce. I am surprised that Johnson did not know this when he blamed them or was he just trying to pass the buck again.'"
Would be interested to know what this bill was and what was proposed ?
I thought councils already checked/inspected working conditions via environmental health department and a union member can also request an inspection be carried out by his/her union ?
Enforcement of minimum wage is down to HMRC ?Not sure how a council could enforce it any better?
Illegal workers,presume this is dealt with by Immigration Enforcement.
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| 2017 Parliamentary Review of Human Rights Within Business. I bet you can see which two words made this review unpalatable to the government.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"2017 Parliamentary Review of Human Rights Within Business. I bet you can see which two words made this review unpalatable to the government.'"
Thanks for that Scarlet,only scanned through it,but some very interesting points.
Can see the inquiry recommended government give more powers to local authorities.
Personally not convinced,whether powers sit at National or local level would make any difference.
Also found it a little bothering that Leicester local authority have been aware of problems for years now,but not used the enforcement powers they already have with regards poor working conditions.
I just can't see any straight forward solution to the problem around poor working conditions/paying less than minimum wage/illegal workers,because any kind of enforcement will likely result in a worse outcome for the "employees"
eg - Close the factory down - everyone out of work and potentially claiming benefits.
Enforce minimum wage - forces prices of goods up,not competitive,job losses - claiming benefits.
I also wonder, who are these people working for less than the minimum wage,why are they working for less than minimum wage?Could it be they accept the conditions and pay because they are actually working illegally/on the side (i have no evidence of this - just putting it out there)?
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Thanks for that Scarlet,only scanned through it,but some very interesting points.
Can see the inquiry recommended government give more powers to local authorities.
Personally not convinced,whether powers sit at National or local level would make any difference.
Also found it a little bothering that Leicester local authority have been aware of problems for years now,but not used the enforcement powers they already have with regards poor working conditions.
I just can't see any straight forward solution to the problem around poor working conditions/paying less than minimum wage/illegal workers,because any kind of enforcement will likely result in a worse outcome for the "employees"
eg - Close the factory down - everyone out of work and potentially claiming benefits.
Enforce minimum wage - forces prices of goods up,not competitive,job losses - claiming benefits.
I also wonder, who are these people working for less than the minimum wage,why are they working for less than minimum wage?Could it be they accept the conditions and pay because they are actually working illegally/on the side (i have no evidence of this - just putting it out there)?'"
They should be made to either work legally or closed down. Working in this way distorts the market - they have an unfair advantage. Similar happens with many pre-packs where debt is simply jettisoned and then firms compete against properly funded companies.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"They should be made to either work legally or closed down. Working in this way distorts the market - they have an unfair advantage. Similar happens with many pre-packs where debt is simply jettisoned and then firms compete against properly funded companies.'"
Is this not free market enterprise much admired by many in the current Government. This is why they want to remove worker’s rights and if they can union influence once we leave the EU to finally turn us into the sweat shop of Europe.
If it was down to Jacob Rees Mogg we would reintroduce work houses much favoured in the time period he most admires.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Is this not free market enterprise much admired by many in the current Government. This is why they want to remove worker’s rights and if they can union influence once we leave the EU to finally turn us into the sweat shop of Europe.
If it was down to Jacob Rees Mogg we would reintroduce work houses much favoured in the time period he most admires.'"
Free market enterprise has controls - the market cannot function without them e.g Cartels, price fixing, government intervention - its about creating a level playing field - that's free market enterprise
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Free market enterprise has controls - the market cannot function without them e.g Cartels, price fixing, government intervention - its about creating a level playing field - that's free market enterprise'"
Surely a free market has little or no state intervention/government regulation? It's down to supply and demand. If 100,000 people are desperate to buy just 10 of any one thing, you can charge what you want.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"They should be made to either work legally or closed down. Working in this way distorts the market - they have an unfair advantage. Similar happens with many pre-packs where debt is simply jettisoned and then firms compete against properly funded companies.'"
It's an interesting test of the government and it's powers to inspect and shut down "Covid non compliant" businesses, especially with it being in an extremely diverse city like Leicester.
More bluster from those "in charge".
WE may as well stick Roy Walker in charge and we can have a new "catchphrase" every day
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"It's an interesting test of the government and it's powers to inspect and shut down "Covid non compliant" businesses, especially with it being in an extremely diverse city like Leicester.
More bluster from those "in charge".
WE may as well stick Roy Walker in charge and we can have a new "catchphrase" every day
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Local authorities already have the power to enforce closure of non compliant businesses,so it begs the question why haven't the local authority acted and used their enforcement powers?
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