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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"To be fair, both covers have reasoning to the artists who conceived them. Of course, it would be possible to pick holes in both sets of reasoning, but that's been the whole point of art through the years.
Personally, I find no offence in either photograph, though if I was to be picky I'd actually suggest the Nirvana cover to be more exploitative of the individual involved, because I'd reckon the baby had no say in his participation, which surely/hopefully the 11 year old girl at least did.'"
Neither of the above album covers are as offensive as "Virgin Killer" by The Scorpions.
Didn't the news reader, Julia Sommerville, have to fight a case when Boots reported her for having taken a photo of her naked daughter on the beach?
People with a twisted sexuality will always read more into what seems an incongruous image than the rest of us. Some get off on pictures of plaster casts, others of animals. You can't ban "Life on Earth" because to some pervert it's his "Debbie does Dallas".
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| Jimmy Tarbuck will not be charged with any offence following his arrest as part of the larger Operation Yewtree investigation last April.
The CPS threw in the towel after admitting that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction after being accused of sexual abuse against "children" (ie more than one) in the 1970s, and yet even yesterday when interviewed in the press Tarbuck told them that he did not know the name of his accuser(s) nor would he ever, they remain anonymous not only from the public but also from the person whom they were accusing, presumably the past twelve months of legal fees are now borne by Tarbuck as he has no-one to accuse of false allegation ?
Its all rather unfair and a little worrying for all males, especially those who make their living as "celebrities".
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"Jimmy Tarbuck will not be charged with any offence following his arrest as part of the larger Operation Yewtree investigation last April.
The CPS threw in the towel after admitting that there was insufficient evidence for a conviction after being accused of sexual abuse against "children" (ie more than one) in the 1970s, and yet even yesterday when interviewed in the press Tarbuck told them that he did not know the name of his accuser(s) nor would he ever, they remain anonymous not only from the public but also from the person whom they were accusing, presumably the past twelve months of legal fees are now borne by Tarbuck as he has no-one to accuse of false allegation ?
Its all rather unfair and a little worrying for all males, especially those who make their living as "celebrities".'"
Did I read somewhere that what he waaccused of took place back stage at Top Of the Pops in 1963? A programme that he has never been on and only started in 1964.
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| Quote ="wigan_rlfc"Did I read somewhere that what he waaccused of took place back stage at Top Of the Pops in 1963? A programme that he has never been on and only started in 1964.'"
I don't know - the interview he gave earlier this week stated that he had not been told how many accusers had made statements, or who they were, or when they occurred, sounds very much like the "evidence" that led to his arrest last April and almost a years worth of investigation was based on a story or stories that didn't even pass a rudimentary test of reliability at the CPS.
Meantime he has been named, accused and had 12 months of hell trying to defend himself, not to mention the cost which cannot be recovered.
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| ...and in other news Dave Lee Travis is to face a new accuser at the re-trial which was arranged after two of the charges at his original trial were left unresolved, so thats another one who has suddenly realised "Thats the bloke who groped me thirty years ago", AND there's another new one who will give evidence but not be listed as a charge as its alleged to have happened abroad, she will instead be used as a character assassin - presumably she had not heard anything of the charges and trial previously either.
The CPS seem to be sticking their necks out on this one, if they fail again then christ knows what they'll drag up for the next celeb...
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| Come on Mr. Chicken, when you were first hanging out with your celebrity relative, you copped the odd feel.
It's a fair cop, we're all friends here, we've heard the stories about deodorant down the keck's in the scoreboard at Headingley.
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"Come on Mr. Chicken, when you were first hanging out with your celebrity relative, you copped the odd feel.
It's a fair cop, we're all friends here, we've heard the stories about deodorant down the keck's in the scoreboard at Headingley.'"
That was self abuse, to be tried for that I'd have to make a complaint against myself, unless any of the passengers on the top deck of that bus come forward.
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| Why do you never hear about flashers anymore?
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| Quote ="wigan_rlfc"Why do you never hear about flashers anymore?'"
When was the last time you saw a decent quality long brown raincoat for sale in a shop ?
Theres your answer along with sock suspenders and thick bottle-bottom glasses, there just isn't the supply chain for flashers any more.
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| Max Clifford has been jailed for 8 years
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Quote Convicted armed robber, Frank Murphy expressed his elation at the prospect of exchanging a manly fumble at Her Majesty’s behest for a huge paycheck under the guise of ‘news’.
“Mr Clifford says he has nothing to hide – and if the rumours about the size of his penis are anything to go by – he would appear to be telling the truth,” he told us.
“The thought of him bedding down for the evening beneath a cheap nylon blanket on a rock hard pillow doesn’t just fill the general public with a warm feeling – that extends to us cons too.”
“To think that for the kind of invasion of privacy that he sought to exploit through his media interests could now be replicated by a troupe of hulking criminals for a large pot of honestly earned money, well.”
“Let’s just say there are lots of fags being exchanged for vaseline as we speak.”'"
Ouch!
Full article: newsthump.com/2014/04/29/prison- ... -and-tell/
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Quote Convicted armed robber, Frank Murphy expressed his elation at the prospect of exchanging a manly fumble at Her Majesty’s behest for a huge paycheck under the guise of ‘news’.
“Mr Clifford says he has nothing to hide – and if the rumours about the size of his penis are anything to go by – he would appear to be telling the truth,” he told us.
“The thought of him bedding down for the evening beneath a cheap nylon blanket on a rock hard pillow doesn’t just fill the general public with a warm feeling – that extends to us cons too.”
“To think that for the kind of invasion of privacy that he sought to exploit through his media interests could now be replicated by a troupe of hulking criminals for a large pot of honestly earned money, well.”
“Let’s just say there are lots of fags being exchanged for vaseline as we speak.”'"
Ouch!
Full article: newsthump.com/2014/04/29/prison- ... -and-tell/
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| Quote ="rob_a"Max Clifford has been jailed for 8 years'"
Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.
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| He was given 8 seperate sentences ranging from 6 months to 2 years. These are to be served consecutively
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.'"
No, for once they took an old list of allegations to trial with some actual evidence including a letter from one young woman who had written to him many years ago telling him how despicable she thought he was for what he did to her - rather stupidly he kept it in his bedside drawer for years and it was there when the police searched his home, presumably it was all part of how he got his kicks.
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| Quote ="rob_a"He was given 8 seperate sentences ranging from 6 months to 2 years. These are to be served consecutively'"
How often are sentences served consecutively? Isn't the normal practice to have all served at the same time? IMO it makes more sense to properly punish criminals for their crimes but as far as I was aware concurrent sentencing was how most people are dealt with.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"How often are sentences served consecutively? '"
pretty much all the time when multiple offences are prosecuted at the same time
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"No, for once they took an old list of allegations to trial with some actual evidence including a letter from one young woman who had written to him many years ago telling him how despicable she thought he was for what he did to her - rather stupidly he kept it in his bedside drawer for years and it was there when the police searched his home, presumably it was all part of how he got his kicks.'"
Why he kept that letter just doesn't make sense. I don't whether that letter had this woman's name and address on it, but if I had received a letter like that wand were innocent I'd be getting in touch with her straight away to find out why she sent it. If what she wrote was true I'm have burnt it so no evidence of it existed.
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| Quote ="World of Redboy"Why he kept that letter just doesn't make sense. I don't whether that letter had this woman's name and address on it, but if I had received a letter like that wand were innocent I'd be getting in touch with her straight away to find out why she sent it. If what she wrote was true I'm have burnt it so no evidence of it existed.'"
You have to wonder how much his two wives knew about it too, a bedside cabinet is not the most secure place to keep your deepest secrets, not in our house anyway
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Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.'"
It might help if a) you followed the trial before making yourself look foolish and b) read the summing up by the judge before dismissing the case in such a trivial way.
It's clear from the judge's summing up and also from what reporters and experts have said, that the evidence was strong. www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/J ... ifford.pdf
In terms of the offences some are taking far more seriously under the 2003 legislation and carry much tougher sentences. For example rape which is what some of the charges he was found guilty of are now.
Once you recognise all of the above you might actually realise that the BJS is excellent. It's not perfect, but it's one of the best systems in the world which he served us well for many years.
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Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.'"
It might help if a) you followed the trial before making yourself look foolish and b) read the summing up by the judge before dismissing the case in such a trivial way.
It's clear from the judge's summing up and also from what reporters and experts have said, that the evidence was strong. www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/J ... ifford.pdf
In terms of the offences some are taking far more seriously under the 2003 legislation and carry much tougher sentences. For example rape which is what some of the charges he was found guilty of are now.
Once you recognise all of the above you might actually realise that the BJS is excellent. It's not perfect, but it's one of the best systems in the world which he served us well for many years.
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| 8 years is not enough for this arrogant sexual predator. Far from being deeply ashamed of his actions his arrogance shows his contempt for the process and most of all his victims.
A truly odious individual who - hopefully - will get some of his own medicine during his four year vacation.
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| I think he will appeal sentence and it will be found unduly harsh and reduced.
He may even try and appeal verdicts. But you can't just appeal a decision because you don't like it. There has to be a reason.
I doubt there was anything wrong in law or procedure, so he will probably try and argue perverse verdicts (i.e. verdicts not properly supported by evidence).
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| Quote ="The Video Ref"I think he will appeal sentence and it will be found unduly harsh and reduced.
He may even try and appeal verdicts. But you can't just appeal a decision because you don't like it. There has to be a reason.
I doubt there was anything wrong in law or procedure, so he will probably try and argue perverse verdicts (i.e. verdicts not properly supported by evidence).'"
In what way is it unduly harsh. His actions have had a profound effect on his victims for years. There is also the issue now of further victims. When you compare to Stuart Hall as many have done this is not harsh. He forced his victims through a lengthy trial and has been found guilty. I am sure some will argue its lenient.
He should accept his fate and go quietly.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"How often are sentences served consecutively? Isn't the normal practice to have all served at the same time? IMO it makes more sense to properly punish criminals for their crimes but as far as I was aware concurrent sentencing was how most people are dealt with.'"
It is fairly common for there to be consecutive sentences where there are multiple victims to enable those victims to know what the punishment is for the crimes against them individually.
In the case of the 15 year old, for example, it is clear from the sentencing remarks that Clifford got 4.5 years for those offences. That victim can now hopefully get some closure and move on in the certain knowledge of the sentence that her abuser will serve in relation to her.
Given that the judge said he would have passed a sentence of not less than 8 years for one particular count alone under modern guidelines then Clifford can consider himself lucky that it's the totality for all counts.
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| Quote ="Derwent"It is fairly common for there to be consecutive sentences where there are multiple victims to enable those victims to know what the punishment is for the crimes against them individually.
In the case of the 15 year old, for example, it is clear from the sentencing remarks that Clifford got 4.5 years for those offences. That victim can now hopefully get some closure and move on in the certain knowledge of the sentence that her abuser will serve in relation to her.
Given that the judge said he would have passed a sentence of not less than 8 years for one particular count alone under modern guidelines then Clifford can consider himself lucky that it's the totality for all counts.'"
If multiple offenses are committed as part of a single incident, they are sentenced concurrently even if there are multiple victims. If the offenses are committed in clearly separate incidents they can be sentenced consecutively.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"Is that 10 years for his vile, nasty story peddling with 2 years taken off for the stress of this stupid trial?
I haven't been watching his trial very much. Just the occasional story here and there. But from what I read it was all ridiculous nonsense. Supposedly showing his tiny penis and joking about how small it was while asking women to go to bed with him.
Anyone got an idea of the serious attack he's supposed to have done to get himself 8 years? I just hope he hasn't got 8 years for stupid nonsense like that ^^^^^. But I don't have that much faith in the British justice system so I wouldn't put it past them to give him a ridiculous sentence even without a serious assault.'"
Read the sentencing remarks linked via the BBC news report
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