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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"People always like to mention a 'stupid cyclist incident' but if i mentioned every stupid motorist incident, i'd have to dedicate a whole new topic and probably get to the 100 page rule within a fortnight.'"
I'm neither a motorist nor a cyclist, and I've seen stupidity from both. But I've never been assaulted by a motorist or spat on by a motorist or threatened by a motorist.
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Quote ="Big Graeme"As we seem to be allowing selected links, have a look here youtu.be/3V37xHRA4C0'"
In their rush to reinforce the idea that the safety of cyclists on the road is the sole preserve of the cyclist and not that of the operator of half a ton of metal they neglected to put any lights on the rear of their example well behaved bike. £500k well spent.
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In their rush to reinforce the idea that the safety of cyclists on the road is the sole preserve of the cyclist and not that of the operator of half a ton of metal they neglected to put any lights on the rear of their example well behaved bike. £500k well spent.
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| Quote ="Mintball"But I've never been assaulted by a motorist or spat on by a motorist or threatened by a motorist.'"
I've had the latter two. I suspect I'd have had all three if I hadn't got off, walked up to him and looked down on to the top of his head. In the five years I've been commuting on a bike it remains my only cross word with any motorist.
Everyone's problem here is thinking of these people as cyclists, motorists and pedestrians. Those things are just their chosen mode of transport in that given moment, and they're no indication at all of how much of a d1ckhead they are likely to be.
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| Incidentally, with regard to cyclists and pedestrians, in the Netherlands the assumption of guilt flows towards the stronger party. Unless it can be proven otherwise then in any incident involving a bike and a car the blame lies with the driver. This is also true of any incident involving a bike and a pedestrian and the blame then falls on the bike rider. Denmark and Germany also do something similar.
I suspect this has a far greater influence on the differences in the behaviour of people riding bikes and driving cars here when compared with the continent than the typical choice of bike does. As much as the infrastructure it is these attitudes, which had to be fought for, that have enabled cycling as a practical activity in those countries. There is of course also a much more general acceptance that people on bikes are actually things like brothers and sisters and wives and husbands and sons and daughters, and not just this weird hi-viz clad sub-species of a thing that doesn't pay a non-existent tax.
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| As a Motorist I probably get wound up by other incosiderate stupid Car drivers who don't know what they are doing and don't understand how to get in the right lane for instance more than cyclists. The new saddle junction near me is a classic example, the left lane is clearly marked for a49 and a571, so it goes into 2 lanes, the right lane quite clearly for the a577 and another road, yet everytime I'm in the correct lane I can guarantee that as i go into the lane for the a571 the driver in the right hand lane who should go up the a577 will always cut across and then throw a lot of of abuse completely oblivious. /rant over
anyway back on topic. I've seen near me a few things lately that have left me a bit perplexed. A cyclist going down the road at night wearing all black clothes with no lights on his back and a broken reflector on the back of his bike, I was surprised at how much I struggled to see him but thankfully I did as I got closer. I've seen them go through red lights and go 2 abreast on numerous occasions too. Seeing a cyclist go up the inside of a car or large vehicle is something that always makes me wince a bit too as I did see a cyclist get knocked off going up the inside of a van that was turning left a few years ago. Maybe a lot of it is down to Education, or a lack of it.
I remember at my old School they used to do safety courses for cyclists but for some reason by the time I was at the age to do it the school stopped giving the training. I remember being quite dissapointed because it was something I'd always wanted to do. And I'm not sure if it's something that happens in Schools anymore.
It is quite scary knowing that someone can just get on a bike, whack on a high vis and a helmet and go straight onto a main road without ever even looking at a highway code.
Equally though for every story I can think of involving a cyclist, I can think of dozens more involving people behind the wheel of a car.
I think it's a very British thing to just be very selfish road user's which at times makes it an every man for himself sort of scenario. Some motorists and some cyclists equally have stinking attitudes towards the roads in this country imo and it is one of the reasons I hate driving at the moment.
I have also occasionally started going on my bike too work occasionally, although it is only a short 2 mile journey, I'll probably get some abuse for this but a small part of the journey I go on the pavement and the rest is down the canal. Of course I don't go fast and make sure I give priority to any pedestrians, not that it makes it ok to be using the pavement. I just feel far to vulnerable on the road.
Maybe the reason for things being so much better in Holland for cyclists is the attitude of both cyclists and motorists. From my visits to Amsterdam I get the impression that attitudes are very different than over here.
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Quote ="Big Graeme"As we seem to be allowing selected links, have a look here youtu.be/3V37xHRA4C0'"
Intrigued by the staggering awfulness of that video I just watched it again. Is that really indicative of the kind of red light jumping cyclists do that es other road users off? Cos what she does in that video is pass through the lights just as they turn from amber to red. Stand at any junction on a busy flowing road and count how many cars you see doing exactly that same thing. At a very conservative estimate you'll see it at least once for every two cycles of the lights.
Surely the red light jumping that p1sses people off is when a bike is inching across the line and then goes for it to get out of the advanced stop line trap. That's much more exclusively bike behaviour. I don't condone it, jumping red lights creates situations other road users have good reason not to expect and that's always stupid. But that sort of thing happens so you don't get caught with a pile of cars behind you all eager to accelerate past you, and it's often at a pinch point as the road ahead has a traffic island for pedestrians or to house the lights on the other side of the junction. I think people who jump lights in that fashion are crazy, and not just because they've jumped the light. Daft as it is it's almost the smart thing to do given the context. They're crazy because they put themselves on the bike symbol in front of a line of stationary cars all waiting for the light to change.
I hate to be first in line at [url=https://www.google.co.uk/maps?ll=53.781587,-1.641769&spn=0.344451,0.891953&cbp=12,259.28,,1,11.5&layer=c&panoid=77gigqlYD12i4uFouVfkPw&cbll=53.806114,-1.682965&dg=opt&t=m&z=11this junction[/url on my way to work. It's a pretty standard road entrance to a roundabout controlled with traffic lights. To the left is a road with motorway rules and the exit straight ahead is a six lane carriageway. Given the opportunity motor vehicles fly through junctions like this, and it's exactly the kind of thing cyclists jump red lights to avoid getting caught up in. This is the context in which the infrastructure is inviting you to be the slowest, least protected thing out in front with many tons of impatience stacked up behind you. I don't jump the light here or any other junction. Also dangerous, but I much prefer to be just inside the middle lane on the left hand side, to the rear left side of the car in front in a place where the car behind can see me but also get past me (if it's a truck or a bus behind me then I'm taking the lane - they can wait until I'm past that first exit). If they'd spoken to some actual cyclists and tried to figure out why this behaviour happens they'd probably find it's this kind of scenario that brings it about.
That video is complete nonsense. They've not only shown light jumping as a great many cars would do it on any given day of the week, and then pointed the finger at others for their lack of courtesy towards those cars, they're trying to communicate with cyclists from the viewpoint that the people who do jump lights are just being a bit cheeky and getting one over on the system and that's their only motivation. There certainly are people who are just impatient, but I suspect a small amount of consideration of why this behaviour actually happens would have led them to some different tactics. They haven't made any attempt to understand the behaviour they're trying to change, but of course changing behaviour isn't actually the point here. This is a video for the downtrodden driver to nod along to after a hard day of doing exactly the same bloody thing.
And there still isn't a reflector and a light on the back of their example well behaved bike.
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Intrigued by the staggering awfulness of that video I just watched it again. Is that really indicative of the kind of red light jumping cyclists do that es other road users off? Cos what she does in that video is pass through the lights just as they turn from amber to red. Stand at any junction on a busy flowing road and count how many cars you see doing exactly that same thing. At a very conservative estimate you'll see it at least once for every two cycles of the lights.
Surely the red light jumping that p1sses people off is when a bike is inching across the line and then goes for it to get out of the advanced stop line trap. That's much more exclusively bike behaviour. I don't condone it, jumping red lights creates situations other road users have good reason not to expect and that's always stupid. But that sort of thing happens so you don't get caught with a pile of cars behind you all eager to accelerate past you, and it's often at a pinch point as the road ahead has a traffic island for pedestrians or to house the lights on the other side of the junction. I think people who jump lights in that fashion are crazy, and not just because they've jumped the light. Daft as it is it's almost the smart thing to do given the context. They're crazy because they put themselves on the bike symbol in front of a line of stationary cars all waiting for the light to change.
I hate to be first in line at [url=https://www.google.co.uk/maps?ll=53.781587,-1.641769&spn=0.344451,0.891953&cbp=12,259.28,,1,11.5&layer=c&panoid=77gigqlYD12i4uFouVfkPw&cbll=53.806114,-1.682965&dg=opt&t=m&z=11this junction[/url on my way to work. It's a pretty standard road entrance to a roundabout controlled with traffic lights. To the left is a road with motorway rules and the exit straight ahead is a six lane carriageway. Given the opportunity motor vehicles fly through junctions like this, and it's exactly the kind of thing cyclists jump red lights to avoid getting caught up in. This is the context in which the infrastructure is inviting you to be the slowest, least protected thing out in front with many tons of impatience stacked up behind you. I don't jump the light here or any other junction. Also dangerous, but I much prefer to be just inside the middle lane on the left hand side, to the rear left side of the car in front in a place where the car behind can see me but also get past me (if it's a truck or a bus behind me then I'm taking the lane - they can wait until I'm past that first exit). If they'd spoken to some actual cyclists and tried to figure out why this behaviour happens they'd probably find it's this kind of scenario that brings it about.
That video is complete nonsense. They've not only shown light jumping as a great many cars would do it on any given day of the week, and then pointed the finger at others for their lack of courtesy towards those cars, they're trying to communicate with cyclists from the viewpoint that the people who do jump lights are just being a bit cheeky and getting one over on the system and that's their only motivation. There certainly are people who are just impatient, but I suspect a small amount of consideration of why this behaviour actually happens would have led them to some different tactics. They haven't made any attempt to understand the behaviour they're trying to change, but of course changing behaviour isn't actually the point here. This is a video for the downtrodden driver to nod along to after a hard day of doing exactly the same bloody thing.
And there still isn't a reflector and a light on the back of their example well behaved bike.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"And why does jumping red lights get under so many peoples skin, is it jealousy - lets face it, any cyclist who decides to take on a motor vehicle in a head to head (or sideways swipe as the case will be), is going to die, so why are so many motorised drivers so bitter about seeing cyclists gamble with their own lives so recklessly ?'"
From a usually well-balanced source, that is a surprising level of rhubarb. They are not only putting their own lives at risk, in the same way that a drunk driver does not put only them and their passengers at risk. Unless of course you think that all motorists will just plough through the cyclist without any deviation of course or braking?
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"=#0000FFThey also offer a protected no claims bonus do they not, and if you are the sort of motorist that drives around without that or without doing a price and features comparison on your insurance at least once a year, then frankly sir, you are a fool.
But to get back to the original point - why the bitterness and predictable jibes about something that can be fixed by a bit of imagination and simple road markings and which might even lead to an increase in citizen health - why not follow the lead set by other european countries and recognise that the pedal cyclist has a legitimate right to use the road system without the ever present danger of being crushed by someone who's line of defence is always "sorry mate, didn't see you" ?'"
Which not everybody qualifies for, as far as I'm aware.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"From a usually well-balanced source, that is a surprising level of rhubarb. They are not only putting their own lives at risk, in the same way that a drunk driver does not put only them and their passengers at risk. Unless of course you think that all motorists will just plough through the cyclist without any deviation of course or braking?'"
So what is it that irritates you so much about seeing someone else break a road traffic law when its has no effect on you at all, why is this issue ALWAYS raised whenever the subject of cyclists is brought up as if everyone on a bike has no regard for their own life at all ?
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| Scenario going home from work last night.
Single road with line of traffic waiting at a red light.
Bradley Mamil cycles up on the ouside, and goes through the lights which are still on red. Chance of traffic joining from the right, which he ignores.
The road ahead then inclines upwards to another set of lights at the top of the hill.
Our lycra freind then pounds up the hill and the lights turn to green behind him, and the traffic then follows.
Now instead of keeping to the left, and allowing traffic to re-overtake, he hogs the centre of the road, slowing all the time as the slope increases. The queue of traffic follows behind at his pace.
The lights at the top of the hill are on green, but 20 or 30 metres before he reaches them, they turn to red.
He again ignores the danger aspect and goes straight through, leaving the traffic behind stopped at the lights.
If he had shown due consideration to other road users and moved over to the left when ascending at least half a dozen cars would have got through the second junction before the lights turned red.
Before anyone says that he was cycling in the centre of the road for his own safety, why was he also ignoring his own safety (and that of others) by cycling through 2 sets of red lights?
It's this apparent disregard for other road users that annoys me.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"So what is it that irritates you so much about seeing someone else break a road traffic law when its has no effect on you at all, why is this issue ALWAYS raised whenever the subject of cyclists is brought up as if everyone on a bike has no regard for their own life at all ?'"
1. I don't for one minute think that it's all cyclists. My mother has been a responsible cyclist nearly all of her life, despite never even trying to learn to drive and therefore lacking a full knowledge of the road traffic laws (which I don't really think should be allowed, but is another argument). She has, however, grasped that red means stop.
2. I don't subscribe to the idea that I shouldn't care about something if it doesn't directly affect me.
3. It's dangerous road use and as such a danger to others. It doesn't get me raging, but it does irritate me, as does seeing drivers overtaking dangerously, tailgating, carving people up, and all manner of other things. These people put the possible health (and in extreme cases lives) of others at risk, I simply don't see why the fact that a cyclist will probably come off worse means that we should be less bothered about the damage they could cause to others by breaking the law.
To me, one of the few responsibilities we all have in life is to try and behave in such a way that considers how we affect others and minimise our 'negative' output. It's an extensions of the 'do unto others' mentality, I suppose. Certain cyclists' behaviour is contrary to that spirit, as are a great many other things in life, and I'll complain about any and all them if the subject is brought up. I'm not singling cyclists out, that's just what the thread is about. Start one about motorists and I'll chime in there, too.
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| Quote ="wigan_rlfc"A570 Rainford bypass, large dual carriageway with wide cyclepaths seperated from the main carriageway on either side yet the lycra brigade (including Sir Brad himself) are usually found on the main road with the lorries and busses. I just don't get it.'"
Trouble with them cyclepaths is that they are covered in debris and glass all the way along. I rode down there once, and ended up with 2 punctures.
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| Quote ="tedglen"
Before anyone says that he was cycling in the centre of the road for his own safety, why was he also ignoring his own safety (and that of others) by cycling through 2 sets of red lights?
It's this apparent disregard for other road users that annoys me.'"
Agreed.
He'll be dead soon though, don't worry about him too much.
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He'll be dead soon though, don't worry about him too much.'"
What get's me, everyone here appears to be talking about grown men, not kids. (including my example).
All that I can say is they should know better. ffs.
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| Quite ironic that I've just been out in the car, Overtook a cyclist then got to a junction and stopped for a red light. Needless to say the cyclist caught up and went straight through the red light having a quick glance to his left and deciding that nothing was coming.
I don't think I've seen it mentioned on this thread yet but a programme on the BBC a few months ago was really interesting. Basically they followed cyclists and motorists in London showing the idiotic stuff both sets of people got upto.
I remember it mainly for a young lad who rode his Bike with a camera on his helmet who came across as one of the most arrogrant people I've ever seen. Who basically thought that because he had the camera he could do what he liked and if anyone gave him any jip then the little camera on his helmet made him invincible...
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| Quote ="tedglen"What get's me, everyone here appears to be talking about grown men, not kids. (including my example).
All that I can say is they should know better. ffs.'"
I know, and its nearly always males too - its an aggression thing.
Having cycled in heavy commuter traffic I know that there is conflict from time to time, not the sort of gesticulating stand-up fight sort of conflict but a definite flavour of "Fook me that was too close" or "I don't think that person waiting to pull out of that junction has actually seen me yet", and there is definitely a heightened sense of speed as cars zip past you (even within the speed limits) and of personal risk - not only have you got the motorised road users to contend with but you've also got the road surface waiting to pitch you off into the road, and it can be terrible near the kerb.
All of this adds to a "them and us" attitude and in certain males it becomes aggressive and competitive, for no real need, not many cyclists actually want to physically take on a motor vehicle and not many vehicle drivers actually want to run over a cyclist, but you'd be excused for not thinking this was the case when you see some of them.
All of which could be massively avoided with the judicious separation of the two types of road users with the ultimate aim of making the routes safer for children to use - how many kids cycle to school these days ?
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| Quote ="Robbo"
I remember it mainly for a young lad who rode his Bike with a camera on his helmet who came across as one of the most arrogrant people I've ever seen. Who basically thought that because he had the camera he could do what he liked and if anyone gave him any jip then the little camera on his helmet made him invincible...'"
Theres loads of them on Youtube and without fail nearly all of them put themselves into danger by their manner of riding, and their arrogance.
There is one who takes a route into Leeds that I have used and just from the video I can tell that he is riding aggressively in heavy traffic and also too fast to avoid any problems, I take my hat off to his fitness because he is pelting along and easily keeping up with the motor traffic, but when stuff happens (as it invariably does to him) then he is very vulnerable and usually sh#ts himself and then starts bawling out the drivers - when its not always their fault.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"
All of which could be massively avoided with the judicious separation of the two types of road users with the ultimate aim of making the routes safer for children to use - how many kids cycle to school these days ?'"
Have you ever been to or seen one of the Sky Rides? I've done a couple now in Leeds and Bradford and there are thousands of young families out on a loop of closed roads. They walk their bikes there and walk their bikes home again though, which I think is telling. There's so much demand for segregated bike paths out there but it's completely hidden, because for many it's all or nothing.
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| Quote ="vbfg"Have you ever been to or seen one of the Sky Rides? I've done a couple now in Leeds and Bradford and there are thousands of young families out on a loop of closed roads. They walk their bikes there and walk their bikes home again though, which I think is telling. There's so much demand for segregated bike paths out there but it's completely hidden, because for many it's all or nothing.'"
Only noticed it in Leeds this year when it was too late to re-organise stuff, looked good though, and you're right, there's a huge family demand but bikes. kids, and A roads just don't mix well, which is a great shame.
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| Quote ="JerryChicken"Theres loads of them on Youtube and without fail nearly all of them put themselves into danger by their manner of riding, and their arrogance.
There is one who takes a route into Leeds that I have used and just from the video I can tell that he is riding aggressively in heavy traffic and also too fast to avoid any problems, I take my hat off to his fitness because he is pelting along and easily keeping up with the motor traffic, but when stuff happens (as it invariably does to him) then he is very vulnerable and usually sh#ts himself and then starts bawling out the drivers - when its not always their fault.'"
One I saw once on youtube once was a cyclist who crashed into a car that pulled out on him. Even from the video I could tell the car was going to pull out on him from a good way away. Cyclist proceeds to crash into him, seemingly just to prove a point that he had right of way.
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| Quote ="wigan_rlfc"Cyclist proceeds to crash into him, seemingly just to prove a point that he had right of way.'"
Graveyards are full of 'em
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| Last month I witnessed a small group of cyclists turning right at a junction. They all looked behind them, signaled right and slowly moved into the middle of the road just before the junction and waited for the traffic in the opposite direction to cease before making their maneuver.
Approaching them from behind was a woman in a slick Audi who wound her window down and screamed bloody murder and abuse at them, because she had been held up for all of 10-15 seconds.
Aggression works both ways.
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| Today I saw a cyclist stop at a red light, wait, then move off with no drama whatsoever, it then took me about 20 seconds to get past him and not once did I get angry about it, I went to work and he went wherever he was going with zero fuss.
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| Quote ="Mintball"I'm neither a motorist nor a cyclist, and I've seen stupidity from both. But I've never been assaulted by a motorist or spat on by a motorist or threatened by a motorist.'"
Been threatened by other motorists a few times, usually when they try to cut in front of me in daft situations and I don't let them. I've even had one try to get out of his car to start a fight with me over that. I moved off very slowly so he could almost catch me, kept him going for a good 50 metres, then accelerated up to the speed limit. Leaving him to walk back to his car, which had been left unattended in the middle of the road. I hope he felt like a bit of a fool during that walk back.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Been threatened by other motorists a few times, usually when they try to cut in front of me in daft situations and I don't let them. I've even had one try to get out of his car to start a fight with me over that. I moved off very slowly so he could almost catch me, kept him going for a good 50 metres, then accelerated up to the speed limit. Leaving him to walk back to his car, which had been left unattended in the middle of the road. I hope he felt like a bit of a fool during that walk back.'"
He did feel a bit of a fool.
But he thinks you're a pu55y who ran from a fight.
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