Whether or not your outlandish ideas about the future come to pass is immaterial. One cannot seek to deny rights to a group of people on the basis that society might change in fifty years time and, if it does, they may conceivably become targets. You do what is right because it is right, you don't base your decisions on some breathtakingly unlikely scenario you've just dreamt up.

I didn't suggest denying them anything.

58% of Tory MP's failed to vote for equality, including that saviour of civil liberties David Davis.

Hmmm.

And? No denial there was there.

No surprises there.

I think 10 Labour ones did too? What is wrong with that? Shouldn't MPs be allowed to vote with their constituents wishes / there supporters wishes / their own conscience / their own beliefs rather than any trend of the day? What do you want a bunch of Blair / Cameron clones - who say whatever is on the public agenda that day but then carry on in their own 'sweet' way the next day? Give me a representative or a conviction politicaian anyday.

Eh? Why would you be in favour of something you 'see no point or reason to'? And why invent some silly scenario to justify withholding rights if you are in favour of granting those rights?

I find that people who don't have rights are always clamouring for them. The ones that have the rights tend to be quiet.

What is the problem with people having the same rights as you Dally?

They do.

So why "clamour" for them? What could they possibly want?

Not yet, they don't. But when this bill is passed they'll be a step closer.

RGX - 'debate' in a style you may be familiar with, albeit with the alternative view: www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/375819

RGX - 'debate' in a style you may be familiar with, albeit with the alternative view: www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/375819

No 22 Labour MP's voted against and 16 abstained, making it 15% of Labour MP's for whom I hold the same derision.
4 Lib Dem MP's voted against and 7 abstained, making it 20% of Lib Dem MP's
8 Independents/Minor Party MP's voted for
10 Independents/Minor Party MP's voted against including Mad Nad.

Since when has equality been a trend? You're a very strange person, Dally.

Quote ="Dally"RGX - 'debate' in a style you may be familiar with, albeit with the alternative view: www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/375819'" Not touching that with a bargepole. I have been subjected to more than enough Express-style rhetoric with your contributions to this and almost every other thread.

Quote ="Dally"RGX - 'debate' in a style you may be familiar with, albeit with the alternative view: www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/375819'" Not touching that with a bargepole. I have been subjected to more than enough Express-style rhetoric with your contributions to this and almost every other thread.

What is your view on those who voted against?

Cameron just think he's being "cool" ie pandering to what he thinks is the current "trend". Sadly for him, he's annoyed most of his party and its supporters.

Derision. And for those who abstained.


I agree he's annoyed most of his party and its supporters, but it merely shows what the majority of the Tory Party are really like.

No - it's a rights issue, being opposed by a minority of bigoted homophobes; the majority of the population can't see what all the fuss is about and would happily see the legislation passed so that parliament can get on with more important things, like demonising the disabled or dismantling the education system.

Quote ="Dally"RGX - 'debate' in a style you may be familiar with, albeit with the alternative view: www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/375819'" Lawdy lawdy, they aren't all locked up yet are they ?

Quote ="Dally"RGX - 'debate' in a style you may be familiar with, albeit with the alternative view: www.express.co.uk/comments/viewall/375819'" Lawdy lawdy, they aren't all locked up yet are they ?

What is next on Cameron's legalisation list - incest, bestiality, lowering the age of consent

and

Homosexuality

First its illegal
Now it is legal
When will be compulsory?

are my favorites from the 1st page or so, normally I'd assume it was someone trolling, but not in this case.

Quite possibly he does.
Anything that splits the Tory party is fine by me.


Quite possibly so .... and add to that the approximately one in ten voters who are gay who will be checking to see which way their MP voted and taking this into account at the next election.

Craig Whittaker, for example, is the MP for Calder Valley, in whose constituency lies Hebden Bridge, often touted as the Lesbian capital of the UK.
Is this Tory MP so highly principled that he's prepared to lose an awful lot of votes? Or does he think they're all lefties whose vote he wouldn't have got anyway? Or is he just totally out of of touch with his constituency? ... or is it (more likely in my view) simply that he couldn't have faced the constituency Tory reselection comittee if he'd voted any other way?

I think they'll be more concerned with the approximately 9 in 10 that are not gay looking to see how their MP voted. UKIP will have a field day at the next election.

Oh my word are you honestly suggesting we should not treat all individual choices equally because of Adolf Hitler


If any-thing I would suggest that part of history has played a huge part in attitude changes and the promotion of equality.

Why? Not all heterosexuals are homophobic.

I think Dally is trying to suggest that all heterosexuals that would vote Conservative are homophobic, which is clearly totally wrong.

It's a bit like when kirkstaller (where is that delightful individual by the way?) makes comment that would have you believe that you being a 'Christian" and being homosexual are incompatible.

Thankfully both Dally and kirkstaller are irrelevant constructs on an RL messageboard, worryingly, people who share their "views" exist in the real world, and can vote.