He's envoyed it everywhere. Nobody's buying what he's selling though.

To be fair, Imadinnerjacket [iis[/i a bit of a loon. Far more dangerous to his own citizens than to anyone outside Iran though.

Whole area is just a loon factory, there is no solution, the problems will continue until eventually one of the loonies launchs a nuclear or chemical attack on Isreal, they will then press the button and take them all with them

[iI know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.[/i

Albert Einstein.

Why does Kosh continue to argue in opposition to [url=http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=norman%20finkelstein%20the%20history%20of&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DsgiGyITn6Qc&ei=YmumUOusBYjC0QXyjIDwDA&usg=AFQjCNHj1U6MG1URsPkjMNlxF-whkDNYVAThe Facts[/url?

Would he be claiming parity of guilt for the Jews of the Warsaw uprising because they chucked a few bottles at the full might of the German army?

Hamas are the ones responsible for this all flaring up again by continually firing rockets into Israel who have every right to hit back.

All the 'right on' liberal whining from the Hamas apologists that we are getting also forgets the fact that Hamas are a terrorist organisation who rule the Palestinian people through fear and intimidation.

Quote ="Wolfieseviltwin"Hamas are the ones responsible for this all flaring up again by continually firing rockets into Israel who have every right to hit back. All the 'right on' liberal whining from the Hamas apologists that we are getting also forgets the fact that Hamas are a terrorist organisation who rule the Palestinian people through fear and intimidation.'" But, is that the whole truth? 30 odd prominent British Jews seem to think otherwise: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/no ... g-guernica

Quote ="Wolfieseviltwin"Hamas are the ones responsible for this all flaring up again by continually firing rockets into Israel who have every right to hit back. All the 'right on' liberal whining from the Hamas apologists that we are getting also forgets the fact that Hamas are a terrorist organisation who rule the Palestinian people through fear and intimidation.'" But, is that the whole truth? 30 odd prominent British Jews seem to think otherwise: www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/no ... g-guernica

Finkelstein is a self hating Jew Mugwump and so is any Jew who does not go along with eveything Israel does.

Is Israels present operations in retaliation for rocket attacks or is it to put pressure on the palestinian president mahmood's request to be accepted as full members of the UN?

Parity of guilt FFS? It isn’t a competition

Are you for real?

Finkelstein simply tells it like it is, without allowing his Jewishness to get in the way of clear and logical thought.
The Zionist expansion across Palestine is almost complete, they are (or think they are) in the tricky end-game.


Neither, it's all part of nicking Palestine for themselves because God promised it to them.
Trouble is, there are enough "Christians" in the US bible belt who literally believe that the second coming of the messiah can't happen until the Jews are returned to Palestine. (See Revelations)
As Finkelstein says, it's not dissimilar to the way that Native Americans were pushed into reservations by "settlers".

Care to define "Israel" ?
Take a look at the maps that Cod'ead posted and note the tiny corner that Israel has squeezed people into in Gaza..
No rockets are fired from the West bank and, hence, Israeli encroachment simply continues almost to the Jordan.


Hamas are only in power in Gaza, not all Palestine.
They are not blameless but they were also elected.

It seems you have totally misunderstood my post El Barbudo

Personally, Id have every sympathy with the Israelies if they decided to dismiss completely the hand wringing apologists for a terrorist organisation like Hamas, and took whatever measures they thought necessary for the safety of their citizens.

I'd also paint in very large letters on any remaining standing walls in Gaza City the legend "Consequences," and hope that someone within the local population would have the wit to google it.

By the way, how's that Arab Spring coming along?

Uncomfortable fact #1:

Hamas has [uREPEATEDLY OFFERED[/u since the elections a peace settlement along the June 67 borders (with recognition of Israel's "Right to Exist").

These are the same terms specified by the UN General Assembly.

Stereotypes?

What next? He has a big nose, lends money and has a taste for illegal diamonds?

Once again the post goes way above someones head. If you know anything about Finkelstein you would also know that his destractors call him a self hating Jew. This term is used as a stick against any Jew who dares to question Israel and it's policies.
Maybe I should of added ''Didn't you know'' to the beginning of that sentence to make it more clear. For the record, you will not see me make racist, sterotypical or anti semitic rants.
Anti semite is similiar stick which is used against non Jews who question Israeli actions.

There are, however, sadly, people who will conflate Jewish and Israeli, sometimes accidently, sometimes deliberately.

Uncomfortable fact #2

Hamas has also launched rockets at schools and aimed them at civilian areas.

Uncomfortable fact #3

Hamas are a terrorist organisation, repeatedly using terrorist tactics.

Indeed so.

Israel attacks schools, police stations, civilian homes, hospitals, UN buildings and TV/Press buildings. Then trots out the same line time and time again..terroists are/were hiding there.
Israel knows all about the tactics of terror. They have employed them on a daily basis on the palestinians for years. When it suits, as it does now, to also raise it to another level just to make sure all the neighbours get the message.

No harm done

I'm perfectly well aware of Norman Finkelstein's background and the accusations which have been leveled at him.

After all, I did post the video (which, unlike just about every defender of Israel's actions on here, I have watched) in the first place.

So, what you're saying is - even if they offer peace ([udemocratically agreed upon[/u by just about all UN signatories with the exception of the usual suspects i.e. Israel, the United States and ... erm ... a couple of Pacific islands about to sink below the waves) - they have absolutely no right to defend themselves against an occupying force (defined as such by the very same [udemocratic[/u United Nations)



Israel is illegally occupying Palestinian lands and in the process has murdered countless thousands of innocent Palestinians. For a person so wrapped up with the immorality of actions you seem remarkably willing to tolerate one party's over another's.

As long as you know I was not being anti semitic.

As long as were learning by our mistakes?

Auschwitz


Gaza