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| I am getting concerned about Standee's mental health. Is he under some form of extreme pressure? His posts of late are suggestive of that. Seriously, if anyone knows him personally please keep an eye on him.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field" the pursuit of wealth is not the most important thing in life, its not even in the top ten.'"
different people have different motivation, if it wasn't for those that did seek wealth then who would emply the unambitious and poorly educated masses, TESCO, AMAZON, VODAFONE, VIRGIN, M&S where all born out of aspiration for wealth, and they employ a shed load of people. (granted successive governments have given them tax breaks, but again, what the f'k did Labour do about it?)
But hey, let's be fair and equal, we can all eat cabbage and water, nobody need strive to develop themselves, so long as we're all miserable then that is fair and equitable.
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| Quote ="Standee"maybe that reflects rugby fans in general, working class, little or no aspiration beyond making ends meet and a fortnight in benidorm as a holiday.'"
What's wrong with that? Why does aspiration have to be extravagant? I think if you asked most people, in the world, what their aspiration is and they would say to be happy first before being rich.
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| Quote ="Standee"Quote ="Kosh"I'm not quite sure why you feel any of this is relevant, but anyway...
I pay for my kids. I also pay for other people's kids. I [ialso[/i pay for lots of things I don't use, most of which are available to folk with or without kids. Unlike you I don't begrudge this, despite being in an income bracket where I receive feck-all from the state without being well-off enough to have cash to burn.
What I believe in is a society that works together for the benefit of all. Having an educated population is a key part of making a modern society function so it follows that I feel that education should be free. I'd feel the same regardless of whether I had kids or not or what level of education they might attain. I'd also point out that recent research shows that the state receives significantly more cash from graduates over their working lifetime than it costs to educate them, so it's a net gain for everyone.
To get back on topic, maybe if all the rich wasters and corporations who currently avoid taxation at every available (legal) opportunity actually paid their fair share we'd be able to afford a 1st class free education system.'"
deluded, and that is being polite'"
Why not respond to his specific points, rather than making one sweeping statement. That's how debate is supposed to work, you know.
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| Quote ="Dally"I am getting concerned about Standee's mental health. Is he under some form of extreme pressure? His posts of late are suggestive of that. Seriously, if anyone knows him personally please keep an eye on him.'"
My favourite ever Dally post.
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| Quote ="Dally"I am getting concerned about Standee's mental health. Is he under some form of extreme pressure? His posts of late are suggestive of that. Seriously, if anyone knows him personally please keep an eye on him.'"
my mental health is fine, thanks, I don't hate people based on their sexuality, I dont hate people because I worship a sky pixie.
now, why not post some links to some more Daily Mail lies so we can deride you and laugh at you, or have you had enough of that.
(is this where you call me a bully?)
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Why not respond to his specific points, rather than making one sweeping statement. That's how debate is supposed to work, you know.'"
what is the point, Kosh has his viewpoint (as do you and many others) it's their right to hold it, I don't agree, I think the country has become far too socilaist and, thankfully, that is being changed, I am a firm believer in survival of the fittest, you don't agree, but I doubt very much you'll convince me to change my opinion.
some people are more worthwhile than others, it's just the way it is (as I see it)
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| Quote ="Rock God X"icon_lol.gif
My favourite ever Dally post.'"
I also laughed...Dally has his moments.
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| Quote ="Standee"
some people are more worthwhile than others, it's just the way it is (as I see it)'"
Gosh. I don't really know where to go with that. What a horrible thing to say.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Gosh. I don't really know where to go with that. What a horrible thing to say.'"
you've never really been good at grasping reality.
there are some people on this planet that offer no benefit to those around them, it's a sad and simple fact, h/s are the only species who ignore survival of the fittest.
in fact, it's the least fit that procreate the most
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| Quote ="Standee"you've never really been good at grasping reality.
there are some people on this planet that offer no benefit to those around them, it's a sad and simple fact, h/s are the only species who ignore survival of the fittest.
in fact, it's the least fit that procreate the most'"
We are getting close to Third Reich mentality now. Do you think you'd have been a more caring sharing individual if your sperm count hadn't been so low?
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| Quote ="WIZEB"We are getting close to Third Reich mentality now. Do you think you'd have been a more caring sharing individual if your sperm count hadn't been so low?'"
just what we've come to expect from you
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| Quote ="Standee"Quote ="Rock God X"Gosh. I don't really know where to go with that. What a horrible thing to say.'"
you've never really been good at grasping reality.
there are some people on this planet that offer no benefit to those around them, it's a sad and simple fact, h/s are the only species who ignore survival of the fittest.
in fact, it's the least fit that procreate the most'"
So do you think we should just allow the weaker members of our species to die of their own accord, or should we help them on their way? We could maybe bomb a few council estates. Though picking them off with rifles would probably be more entertaining.
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| Quote ="Standee"there are some people on this planet that offer no benefit to those around them, it's a sad and simple fact, h/s are the only species who ignore survival of the fittest.'"
That's the second time you've mentioned something along these lines. I suggest you do a little more research into biology/zoology before making such sweeping statements.
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| Quote ="Kosh"That's the second time you've mentioned something along these lines. I suggest you do a little more research into biology/zoology before making such sweeping statements.'"
no thanks, I'm quite happy to have confidence in my opinion, and not to be a bore like you.
I'll leave the usual sanctamonious prats to it, Sin Bin never changes, blah blah blah, anyone with a bit of cash should pay for me being useless, pay for my kids education and look after me, afterall, they were all born into it, none of them have earned it on merit.
sad, sad envious bunch of people.
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| Seems Dally was bang on the money...
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| ...feel dirty now.
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| Quote ="Standee"just what we've come to expect from you'"
If there ever comes time you need a little advice on reaching mid-life, childless, but wishing to be a more rounded individual, then I'm here to help?
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| Well, it doesn't take much to find out what some people are really like does it.
I'd love to know what Standee's version of survival of the fittest is, because in the truest sense of the term most of the people he thinks are unworthy of help or even survival would give him a damn good kicking.
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| Quote ="Him"Well, it doesn't take much to find out what some people are really like does it.
I'd love to know what Standee's version of survival of the fittest is, because in the truest sense of the term most of the people he thinks are unworthy of help or even survival would give him a damn good kicking.'"
Then eaten him
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| Quote ="Standee"different people have different motivation, if it wasn't for those that did seek wealth then who would emply the unambitious and poorly educated masses, TESCO, AMAZON, VODAFONE, VIRGIN, M&S where all born out of aspiration for wealth, and they employ a shed load of people. (granted successive governments have given them tax breaks, but again, what the f'k did Labour do about it?)
But hey, let's be fair and equal, we can all eat cabbage and water, nobody need strive to develop themselves, so long as we're all miserable then that is fair and equitable.'"
So you believe that I, through no longer striving for monetary wealth, am unambitious and miserable ?
I used to think like you, I was in a fortunate position to control my own income and other than my clients was beholden to no-one, I too thought that anyone who didn't want to earn the loads of cash that I was earning was somehow stupid and couldn't possibly be happy.
With age comes wisdom, I am not living in poverty, my income is above average, my house is in one of the more expensive areas of this city so its a bit hypocritic of me to say that money no longer interests me, but having been on the treadmill and now got off it and lost all of my paper wealth (it was never materially there), I now see that none of it was even remotely as important as I thought it was.
One day you too may be enlightened.
PS - here's the good bit, last Sunday I sat in a beachfront restaurant in the most expensive resort on The Algarve and I spent £50 on a sunday lunch which for me is outrageous - it was worth it though to see the faces of the extremeley wealthy turn up with their families without an appointment to be turned away hungry - there was me stuffing my face with clams and steak and there were the multi-millionaires and their spoiled brats stood with long faces on the pavement, hungry, and probably a little jealous too.
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| Quote ="Standee"no thanks, I'm quite happy to have confidence in my opinion, and not to be a bore like you.
I'll leave the usual sanctamonious prats to it, Sin Bin never changes, blah blah blah, anyone with a bit of cash should pay for me being useless, pay for my kids education and look after me, afterall, they were all born into it, none of them have earned it on merit.
sad, sad envious bunch of people.'"
Who paid for your education?
Have you always paid for all your own medical needs?
Did you pay for the roads that you drive on everyday?
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| Quote ="Standee"
it's a sad reflection of british society, people would rather punish the successful than strive themselves.'"
You really are totally deluded about this. Society punishes people like Carr not because he is successful but because he avoids paying tax.
Society punishes people who it sees as greedy, not successful.
If Carr made three times as much as he did but didn't enter into tax avoidance schemes I think you would find no one would bat an eye.
One of the UK's most successful businessmen in recent years was the chap who founded Phones4u, John Caudwell. He began with £1350 and 26 Motorola mobile phones to sell. When sold up a few years back he was worth about a billion and a half. He stated no one ever needs more than £10m to fund an extremely comfortable lifestyle and so set about given the rest of his fortune to charity.
When he ran the company it remained private and the staff were awarded with high wages and good conditions. It made a few million a year profit which no doubt could have been much higher had he adopted the usual stock-market induced mantra of cutting staff costs and driving wages down. He chose not to do that and was content to be merely very well off rather than the next Philip Green.
Why would anyone be jealous of Caudwell? But people are furious with Philip Green because if his legal tax avoidance.
You need to understand the difference between the two types of people described here.
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| It appears I've been sent a very angry pm for using someones first name. To the relevant poster, I sincerely apologise, Martin.
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