What on earth are you talking about?
Even when I'm agreeing with you, you are that blinkered you still have a go.

I noted that when asked about the cost of living crisis he offered nothing but to suggest we have to lump it but when those high skilled high paid jobs come along everything will be ok. What an absolute waste of a human he is, stuff the less fortunate but yet sadly many will still believe him.

What will they strike about?? Do unions still exist?

It's his automatic defence mode if it helps

Early indications suggest labours less than impressed in the elections.
Symbolic wins is now looking like the strap line.
Boris is so lucky to have KS opposite him

Well, with public sector wages having been suppressed for the last 10+ years and raging inflation, there will be some pretty disgruntled staff.
They will either move on or perhaps feel the need to take action and yes, unions do still exist.

There were/are two things I was looking for in the Labour performance:
What happens in Scotland, recovery there is absolutely fundamental to them becoming largest party in the next parliament. We'll see later.

Then there's the so-called Red Wall. If these areas behaved like they did in the 2019 General Election Labour would be losing lots of seats. As it stands they seem to have held up pretty well which is comforting for them to a degree - replayed in a General they would win quite a few seats back.

Overall the best Labour can aim for is still to be the largest party in the Commons next time. Given how toxic the Tories are they should then be able to cobble together a confidence/supply arrangement with LDs, SNP, SDLP and Alliance.

The Tories have lost something like 20% of the seats they were defending which is pretty calamitous really. The real winners are the Greens, and especially the Lib Dems

The latter is important as many gains have come at the expense of the Tories in affluent places where that party's English nationalism is not a good sell.

If I was one of your lot I would not be interested in any other parties performances only that of my own which for you is the Lib Dems, shouldn't you be worried about your own party going very close to extinction instead of worrying what's happening in Scotland where clearly most of them don't want to be part of the UK.

Quite clearly, you only have to look at the P&O debacle to see just how sharp the unions teeth are.

What a strange post. Do you pay zero attention to the rest of Super League just because Wakefield are a bit rubbish at the moment?

Also, in case you hadn't noticed, the Liberal Democrats are the biggest winners from the evening.

I know this cuts two ways, but it is funny to see the Tory-leaning part of the usually metropolitan-focused media playing down the importance of London.

Yes it is a strange post, asking me if I pay zero attention to the rest of super league just because we are a bit rubbish at the moment, do you pay zero attention about Leeds because they are also seriously rubbish at the moment, a strange response from you indeed



Thanks for the heads up as I hadn't noticed the lib-dems are the biggest winners, can't for the life of me understand how this has got past me or why you find it more exciting for the labour lot to be in the ascendancy when your mob has done so wonderfully well.

Are you sure about the first part ?
The Tory line was that if they lost fewer than 800 seats then it would be an ok night.

However, it was nigh on impossible for them to lose 800 seats, they only had around 1000 to lose


By comparison, Labour had around 1600 seats.
Never mind, they will have even fewer to lose next time around.

Also, regarding the alleged KIer Starmer "beer and curry night", it seems that there is a whole load of noise being made on this, probably to try and deflect what's coming form the Sue Gray report. You do remember her dont you

There's a whole very brown mud (polite word) storm coming, I cant wait.

More pain, more fines and hopefully , goodbye Boris.

Personally I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing about partygate, as Im sure millions of others are too. There are far more concerning matters going on in the world right now.
I'm also not happy with the Tories and some of their policies regarding the the push for zero emissions. Especially when the UK only produces just one percent of global emissions whilst China and India between them produce between 30 and 40 percent. However, I still will not vote labour in its current form, even though I always did from the 1970s onwards. What the labour party has become is a million miles away from what it stood for and represented in the past. In my opinion it no longer represents the working class but instead now represents the London elite, it has in effect become London centric. It has totally lost touch with its working class Northern heartlands and I cant see that changing anytime soon. I would go as far as to say that this is the worst labour opposition that I can remember in 50 years of voting, the quality of some of their MPs is dire to say the least. My deceased family members would be turning in their graves if they could see what labour has become. Starmer in particular must the most boring uncharismatic person I've come across as a leader of the opposition in the past 50 years. He's also a hypocrite of the highest order. So, until Labour can re connect with its Northern heartlands, including accepting Brexit, and changes its leader to someone like the late John Smith, who was in my opinion the best leader labour ever had and would have made a great PM, they won't get a big enough of a swing to form a government.

Wow has someone inadvertently plugged rlfans into Conservative Central Office's "desperate talking points" feed?

But to pluck just one out of that little lot, just imagine being really, really angry about policies to clean up the environment and reduce reliance on fossil fuels (have you seen the prices recently?!). If I didn't think it was a parody it would be hilarious.

I haven’t checked those emissions numbers but the combined population of India and China is more than 40 times that of the UK. So I don’t think the use of ‘only’ is particularly justified, even if they’re correct.

Partygate has dragged on way too long… because Johnson won’t resign. I’m bored of seeing his fizzog, as I’m sure millions of others are too.

The global emissions 2021 were

1 China 29%
2 USA 14%
3 India 7%
4 Russia 4.65%

17 UK 1.03%

These are as a total of the world's co2 emissions and clearly, there is massive disparity in population numbers.
He's right though, in the sense that even if the UK were zero, it would have little to no effect on world emissions and that China and India, both of which are "fast developing" nations, are likely to increase their emissions overall in the coming years.

Certainly in China, where the vast majority of the population dont own a car etc, they will do well to keep their emissions at current levels, never mind actually cutting them.

As for Labour, I agree with him on this also but, they still remain a better option than the self serving Tories.

Aye - one of the failures of the concept of the nation state in the 21st century.

The UK, of course, has been spewing out terrible stuff for much longer, decades longer, than any other country. It's lazy and selfish to suggest that we shouldn't also be at the vanguard of cleaning up our act.

But even if for some reason taking responsibility for the sort of environmental impact we created isn't enough, if fixing the planet before it tips over the edge isn't enough, then surely the idea of not being beholden to the whims of oil producing countries is? If we were not reliant on overseas oil and gas then countries like Russia and the OPEC nations would have no leverage on us - and people living in this country wouldn't suddenly be stuck with fuel bills doubling in the space of a couple of months.

It's as though you are suggesting that we should have a coherent strategy on energy, rather than letting "the markets" pull us in a certain direction.

It's amazing how some people have so contorted themselves to align with an anti-liberal (or anti-something) identity that they have turned themselves into shills for big oil.

In summary a less than impressive Labour performance.
Post partygate Boris got what he knew was coming but it wasn’t too bad in the greater scheme of things.
2 years now to move the party in its intended direction and get this nonsense behind them.

Losing a quarter of your seats from an already very low base "wasn't too bad in the greater scheme of things"



The spin from TDLers is fantastic.

A bit quiet on here concerning that starmer blokes impending fine for breaking lock down rules, wonder if he'll offer to resign if found guilty, probably just unlucky getting caught.

What is the intended direction of the Conservative party, iyo?




He’d have to resign, on principle, imo. After the standard he has held Johnson, and in some ways Corbyn, to. Also, I suspect he’s basically a honourable. I’d like to think it’d help get shot of Johnson too… but I suspect he’ll try to exploit it as ‘see, it wasn’t just me’. I increasingly think it’ll be cost of living, and general drift and incompetence that’ll do for Johnson in the end.