I'm with you, trouble is you've made me bloody hungry now.

Get Minty to knock you up an omelette.

Wheat is not very good for you, i would always advise people to cut it completely out of their diet, before it became a staple diet it's primary use was in house building.

Grains are still grains.

Even the most cursory of cursory google searches would show that position to be incorrect. Whole wheat is included in the category of whole grains and, as such, has numerous health benefits associated with it, as evidenced in several scientific studies. The only reason to cut it out is if you have a specific allergy/intolerance to it.

I hardly slept last night, so I might be being a bit thick, but you've completely lost me there.

Cut it out your diet for 3 months, tell me how you feel, then reintroduce in and also tell me how you feel, then tell me it's a beneficial food.

My wife went a year or more without touching the stuff and didn't notice any difference. Even if she had have noticed a difference, anecdotal evidence does not trump peer-reviewed scientific studies. Just about every study conducted on the matter says it is beneficial. That'll do for me.

I've been reducing intake of starchy carbs for around four months now particularly bread. The biggest thing I've noticed is that I don't feel bloated as before. I didn't realise it was bloatedness, until I wasn't experiencing it. Large amounts of milk produce a similar feeling, so I've also cut out my two lunchtime milky coffees (my only such drinks in a day).

I don't have any starchy carbs for breakfast or lunch.

I've never been a snacker anyway, but I haven't suddenly developed craving in mid-morning or mid-afternoon.

If that's all it does, then it's an improvement.

Rock God – my point was that wholegrains are still a complex carb.

They might well be, but to lump all carbs together as being inherently bad is just plain wrong.

I'm the first person to advise people to stay away from refined carbs, but whole grains have been shown in study after study after study to have significant health benefits, including reducing the risk of cancer and heart disease. That's not opinion, it's fact. Or FACT, if you prefer!

When i lost my job in dec of 2011 i wanted to do something so i did the fitfans with Hull fc...i just cut all the crap out and had a breakfast (cereal)...fruit in midmorning...then a sandwhich on brown bread..then a fibre bar or fruit in afternoon then my tea...we then did circuits rd the stadium and i could feel the difference.You also got told what is good for you and what isnt and it helped a lot....i got 7 weeks into a 13 week course and had lost a bit of weight but then got a new job and couldnt keep it up but stuck to the priciples of it.

I have suffered PCOS for years and starchy carbs are a nightmare for causing bloating & making me feel lethargic.

Wheat is a cash crop, it's worth $5.5 billion to the USA alone, pay a scientist enough money and he'll tell you anything you want to know.

It's not even controversial. There are virtually no dissenting voices. On either side of the Atlantic. Are you seriously suggesting that there's a worldwide conspiracy to promote the benefits of wholegrain wheat when really it's detrimental to your health? Really?

The same studies even point out that refined wheat is not good for you and that only the whole grain confers the health benefits outlined. Why would they do that if they were just doing it for the cash?

[url=http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=66Not for profit organisation extolling the virtues of wholegrain wheat.[/url

There's some good stuff in that. Very relaxing.

Read
Wheat Belly by Dr. William Davis

Top 10 tastiest cereals: www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... ealth-food

Top 10 tastiest cereals: www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... ealth-food

You read the link I just put up. It mentions numerous different studies and several proven health benefits.

From a mental health perspective, wheat and gluten have been suggested as possible depressants. If you feel glum, moody, melancholy or are bloated after eating brekky, bread, biscuits etc. See if you can cut it out and let us know if there's a change.

A simple blood test shows intolerances to wheat or gluten and there are other further tests.




Warning though. Gluten free and/or wheat free products are often more expensive.

I've done plenty myself, i've given it up, i speak of personal experience and my health has vastly improved, i've even had an oncologist friend of a friend who advised never to eat wheat due to problems it causes the body.

I'm not saying that there aren't individuals who don't tolerate wheat very well. I'm not even saying such an intolerance isn't relatively common. But the overwhelming weight of scientific evidence proving its health benefits for most people does not lie.

Would have thought most on here get depressed via alcohol consumption?

Absolutely correct.

It just doesn't do it as good as it can for some.

Alcohol is a depressant but not in as you think it is. It doesn't out and out give you depression necessarily, it depresses senses, slows the nervous system etc. That is what is meant by a depressant. Though long term it will cause brain damage/injury.

It might be the gluten in beers that gives some people depression.