It's interesting to see who comes out of the closet to defend fascist or neo-fascist states.

Whoah there.
Democracy and state control are not opposites.
A government in a democracy can exercise state control.
State control can exist without democracy (e.g. Dictatorship).

Cretins like Sarah Palin and the Tea Party would disagree.

Just imagine what it'd have been like had she become VP and then if anything happened to John McCain she became the the President !

Watch [iIron Sky[/i.

Is that the Nazis on the moon film ?

Oh-ho ... McCain would have had his chips !



I've waited so long to use that.

Yes.

And great fun it is too.

It was a masterstroke from McCain.

Had he been elected, he would have been virtually unkillable. WTF would have assassinated McCain, knowing that Palin would take over?

nah, facsists go round telling people what to do and label people. Oh hold on.

Seems like your definition of "fascist" isn't the same as mine.

It's the sort of wishy-washy, technically inaccurate use of the word that waters down its real meaning, don't you think?

scumbag, the world is better without him

Yeah, raising millions of people out of poverty and giving them the healthcare and education they never had before.
Total scumbag.

Whilst feathering his own purse and causing internation coflict.

SCUMBAG

can I add, only poor people believe in communism

Yeah, should have trodden the poor down while he was at it, never mind educating them and keeping them healthy.
He should have looked at the US where they know how to make squillions out of international conflict AND ignore the plight of those awful pinko poor people.

I look forward to your comparable condemnation of US foreign policy over many decades.

Factually incorrect.

But can you lend me a few quid please Minty?

come on then, there may be those that calim to believe in it, whilst living a capitalist life.....

POE, again

Point one: Fred Engels (just for starters – but hence, factually incorrect).

Point two: it's difficult to 'live a communist life' in a capitalist society.

Karl Marx wasn't poor. Nor Engels. Nor any number of others.

Not meant as an attack, Standee, but is can seem that your attitude toward 'the poor' (for want of a better phrase) is comparable to that Victorian attitude, although don't worry – I have no concern that you believe that poverty is an outcome of a sinful life.



But why would you be so condemnatory of attempts to decrease inequality? And we know, for instance, that moves toward increasingly laissez faire capitalism (deregulation etc) don't do that – 'trickle down' never has worked and doesn't now.

So unless you genuinely believe that the poor should just be poor – regardless of whether that allows them to live a basically decent life or not – what would you do?

And if you don't believe in doing anything, then how do you think that impacts on society as a whole?

Charlie's incomes varied massively. He was certainly reliant on a lot of other people – not least Engels – to support him financially.