Britain is many countries away from Ukraine. You would naturally expect our quota to be lower than the immediate neighbours as is the quota in USA.
Our major commitment is to assist the fight to fend off the red army. There are many dimensions to the overall conflict but you wouldn’t see that.

Inflation is at a recent record high
Energy bills have increased hugely
Covid hasn’t gone away
Waiting lists I for the NHS are at a high
There’s a war on our nearest continent
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And your focus is on the PM having a couple of drinks on his birthday with his workmates in his office. Hmmmm

Come on WQ, I did say that Britain IS offering support, just not much on the humanitarian side.
Oh, and thanks for pointing out "the bleeding obvious", about the many "dimensions" of war, I though they just took turns in hitting beer cans

Sadly there’s only one dimension when it comes to Boris and that’s hatred. There’s nothing balanced about your views it’s just an absolute focus on the negative.

It's not a "drinks" issue, it's a "trust" issue.
You are backing a bloke who is unable or just unwilling to tell the truth and if he cant fess up about the "fluff", how can you, me or anyone else believe what he says on the big issues.
Covid, for instance, it's pretty damn clear that we are no longer concerned about "controlling" it, and we are now in the "rush" to herd immunity (if this can actually be achieved).
The NHS waiting lists (and waiting times) were increasing pre covid and it will be interesting to see if the increase in NI actually leads to any significant change - it looks more like a tax grab.

As for the war being on our "nearest" continent. It's on our actual continent.
We have only left the EU trading bloc, not the actual continent



As I said, "we" need to trust the people in power and Boris doesn't score too heavily in this department.

Also, it's worth remembering that the inquiry into Downing Street parties is still on going, there will be more fines to come from some of the numerous parties/ gatherings.
Lets see how the Tories go in the local elections

After 10 plus years you wouldn’t expect the local elections to go so well. The country got sick of “Thatcher and Blair’s” governments after a protracted period.
It’s interesting soon after a ‘scandal’ you raise local elections. You knew full well labour weren’t looking good until partygate occurred. I suspect you won’t admit that as you don’t have a bad word for labour.

Labours performance in the elections will be based upon Boris failings rather than Kiers policies and performance. Let’s hope the electorate don’t turn to the liberals for your sake.

That lucky for Labour because with de Pfeffel his failings and that of the government just keep on coming.

So we’re a long way away when it comes to offering refuge, but really quite close when emphasising the serious of the situation and the related importance of not changing our leader. As if having Johnson in charge helps one iota more than replacing him with Truss or Raab or a literal stuffed shirt.

Make it up as you go along why don't you, you must be desperate to try and score points, clearly those two are guilty they've admitted it on television last night and apologised and deserve whatever they get, where's your problem? it's the made up stuff you put on here I don't agree with, for example your first sentence in your post where according to you I'm still asking for evidence when I'm clearly not, I'm afraid if I've just been psychoanalysed by the untouchable holy ghost then your not very good at it

Yes it does stink a bit of desperation.

Oooh, you are now entering full Jackanory mode.

If you had been keeping up or, had a better memory, you would see that I had plenty of issues with Labour, especially under Corbyn.
Equally, you would see that The Tory honeymoon was only going to end when they stopped the pandemic spending and tried to claw back the £billions spent and right now, all of the Troy chickens are beginning to come home to roost.
Tax increases, roaring inflation, covid, lying Boris, and the Premier in waiting (Sunak) stuffed by leaks about his wife - which appear to have come from No 10


Lets' face it, there is little going right at the moment and the pretence that Britain is "leading" the war effort with Ukraine is all that you have.

The fact that all this is happening in the run up to local elections is just more "bad luck"

As for the electorate turning to the Liberals, it would still be a massive improvement on this set of self serving *****.

The distance argument is new even for WQ but what about Ireland they are still further away than the U.K. but they managed to admit more Ukrainians but they don’t have Pritti as their Home Secretary.
A forces expert yesterday pointed out that the political decision to send arms actually weakens our own defences because they come out of our reserves. The sending of armoured vehicles was also questioned because of the complicated nature of these vehicles we would have to send military personnel over to show how to repair them and operate the internal equipment.

There you go again I wonder how many on here believe your constant claims of neutrality. I know it’s an embarrassment to be a Conservative supporter but for once admit it rather than keep crying Wolf.

I am desperate for this farce to end. Nothing says desperation quite like me making the case for a Truss or Raab premiership!

The bag, along with its contents, which I used, on my dog walk this morning would have far more integrity than our current PM.
Yes, it did have a whiff about it but, unlike Bojo, I had trust in the bag.

WOW, is this how low your prepared to lower your standard of posting to show your bitterness, I really thought you were better than that, is there a competition on here for the most insulting post, because I think you would win it outright, you should be embarrassed seriously.

Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The distance argument is new even for WQ but what about Ireland they are still further away than the U.K. but they managed to admit more Ukrainians but they don’t have Pritti as their Home Secretary. A forces expert yesterday pointed out that the political decision to send arms actually weakens our own defences because they come out of our reserves. The sending of armoured vehicles was also questioned because of the complicated nature of these vehicles we would have to send military personnel over to show how to repair them and operate the internal equipment.'" Im astounded it needed a "forces expert" to state the obvious......but what i don't get is why you are highlighting this ? Should we not send arms if its detrimental to our own defences ? Is it not weakening every single donor countries defences by sending arms ? Also wonder if the "forces expert" was aware of the solution below in regards armoured vehicles..... https://www.forces.net/ukraine/news/ukr ... ehicles-uk

Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"The distance argument is new even for WQ but what about Ireland they are still further away than the U.K. but they managed to admit more Ukrainians but they don’t have Pritti as their Home Secretary. A forces expert yesterday pointed out that the political decision to send arms actually weakens our own defences because they come out of our reserves. The sending of armoured vehicles was also questioned because of the complicated nature of these vehicles we would have to send military personnel over to show how to repair them and operate the internal equipment.'" Im astounded it needed a "forces expert" to state the obvious......but what i don't get is why you are highlighting this ? Should we not send arms if its detrimental to our own defences ? Is it not weakening every single donor countries defences by sending arms ? Also wonder if the "forces expert" was aware of the solution below in regards armoured vehicles..... https://www.forces.net/ukraine/news/ukr ... ehicles-uk

Yes they were but I did say it was a political decision not one made by the armed forces. We have also reduced spending on all branches of the forces so our reserves were already at low levels. I believe we are looking to reduce the size of the army by 9000 reducing it’s strength to levels not seen for over 100 years when we are apparently at a dangerous time for Europe.

It's true, Chis, it was a decent bag



On a serious note and remembering that the Met are still investigating many of the other gatherings / parties / meetings, IF Boris and / or other Cabinet Ministers are found to have been "multiple offenders", should they stand down or, as JRM describes this issue, is it all just political "fluff" ?

How could it be anything other than a political decision?
Its not down to the Commander at Catterick Garrison !!!

I will ask again:

Are you suggesting we shouldn't send arms if it weakens our own defences?

I simply don't understand the point you are trying to make.

The plans to reduce the size of our armed forces was taken well before the Ukraine conflict and reasoning given(investment into high tech).

The government use the excuse that this is a time of war therefore why weaken our own defences whilst at the same time sending over equipment they currently cannot use. I agree Ukraine need arms therefore why did the USA not take up the offer from Poland to allow their Mig jets to go to Ukraine and the USA replace them.
If I was being cynical it could be suggested that de Pfeffel is more interested in self preservation at any costs because we have to face facts that we were happy to allow Russian oligarchs to launder their money through the U.K. with some actually donating to the Conservatives.

Out of curiosity what military contribution have Ireland made?

Tories more upset about someone posting something not polite about their heroes on the internet than those same heroes breaking the law, repeatedly lying about it and then being fined by the Police.

It takes forelock tugging to a new level.

Boris and Rishi have apologised and paid their £50
Let’s move on

I have no idea but based on the fact that the excuse you gave for our poor performance on Ukrainian refugees was distance from Ukraine. I was merely pointing out that Ireland is further away but have taken more thereby disproving your poor attempt to further excuse the government.