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Quote ="Durham Giant"Seems to be an anomaly as this is when GPS were advised to report it at the beginning of the year. When it became clear it was a pandemic reporting went through PHE. Rather than through GPS saying someone may have this new virus'"
All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reported by ALL medical persons, a positive test is NOT an infection, it cannot be, it's a diagnostic tool. Thus causative agents that cause infection have to be reported, that means there is hardly any actual infections, fewer than 13,900 up until week 53 which includes part of January.. week 53 had only 37 true reports of cases with a causative agent that are described as SARS COV2 (which was 'isolated' described by using a computer algorithm so doesn't truly exist as a 'novel' virus as you're just filing in sequences into a batch of other RNA that we know exists in every human being on the planet.
The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf |
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Quote ="Durham Giant"Seems to be an anomaly as this is when GPS were advised to report it at the beginning of the year. When it became clear it was a pandemic reporting went through PHE. Rather than through GPS saying someone may have this new virus'"
All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reported by ALL medical persons, a positive test is NOT an infection, it cannot be, it's a diagnostic tool. Thus causative agents that cause infection have to be reported, that means there is hardly any actual infections, fewer than 13,900 up until week 53 which includes part of January.. week 53 had only 37 true reports of cases with a causative agent that are described as SARS COV2 (which was 'isolated' described by using a computer algorithm so doesn't truly exist as a 'novel' virus as you're just filing in sequences into a batch of other RNA that we know exists in every human being on the planet.
The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reported by ALL medical persons, a positive test is NOT an infection, it cannot be, it's a diagnostic tool. Thus causative agents that cause infection have to be reported, that means there is hardly any actual infections, fewer than 13,900 up until week 53 which includes part of January.. week 53 had only 37 true reports of cases with a causative agent that are described as SARS COV2 (which was 'isolated' described by using a computer algorithm so doesn't truly exist as a 'novel' virus as you're just filing in sequences into a batch of other RNA that we know exists in every human being on the planet.
The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
So, if it's all make believe, why are they doing it and what do you think they want as a result? |
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reported by ALL medical persons, a positive test is NOT an infection, it cannot be, it's a diagnostic tool. Thus causative agents that cause infection have to be reported, that means there is hardly any actual infections, fewer than 13,900 up until week 53 which includes part of January.. week 53 had only 37 true reports of cases with a causative agent that are described as SARS COV2 (which was 'isolated' described by using a computer algorithm so doesn't truly exist as a 'novel' virus as you're just filing in sequences into a batch of other RNA that we know exists in every human being on the planet.
The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
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Don't. I've never read such a pile of horse $h!t in my life. |
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reportede.
SNIP
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
THIS IS JUST COMPLETE PSEUDO SCIENCE DESIGNED TO CONFUSE , UNDERMINE AND SOW DOUBT. EG the section below
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science
This is just rubbish the vaccines designed are to stimulate the body to recognise Covid infection and help the body to fight it. It is exactly the same as vaccinating against measles or smallpox Tamiflu is pretty much a medicine like ibuprofen tamiflu is a neuraminidase inhibitor, a competitive inhibitor of influenza's neuraminidase enzyme. The enzyme cleaves the sialic acid which is found on glycoproteins on the surface of human cells that helps new virions to exit the cell. Thus tamiflu prevents new viral particles from being released.
There is no comparison at all between the vaccines and tamiflu. It is the equivalent of saying that giving paracetomol to cure a headache is the same as doing a lobotomy |
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reportede.
SNIP
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
THIS IS JUST COMPLETE PSEUDO SCIENCE DESIGNED TO CONFUSE , UNDERMINE AND SOW DOUBT. EG the section below
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science
This is just rubbish the vaccines designed are to stimulate the body to recognise Covid infection and help the body to fight it. It is exactly the same as vaccinating against measles or smallpox Tamiflu is pretty much a medicine like ibuprofen tamiflu is a neuraminidase inhibitor, a competitive inhibitor of influenza's neuraminidase enzyme. The enzyme cleaves the sialic acid which is found on glycoproteins on the surface of human cells that helps new virions to exit the cell. Thus tamiflu prevents new viral particles from being released.
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It's not any form of science, much in the same way my scrotum is not any form of Charlize Theron. |
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"THIS IS JUST COMPLETE PSEUDO SCIENCE DESIGNED TO CONFUSE , UNDERMINE AND SOW DOUBT. EG the section below
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science
This is just rubbish the vaccines designed are to stimulate the body to recognise Covid infection and help the body to fight it. It is exactly the same as vaccinating against measles or smallpox Tamiflu is pretty much a medicine like ibuprofen tamiflu is a neuraminidase inhibitor, a competitive inhibitor of influenza's neuraminidase enzyme. The enzyme cleaves the sialic acid which is found on glycoproteins on the surface of human cells that helps new virions to exit the cell. Thus tamiflu prevents new viral particles from being released.
There is no comparison at all between the vaccines and tamiflu. It is the equivalent of saying that giving paracetomol to cure a headache is the same as doing a lobotomy'"
So you admit you don't even understand what a vaccine actually is  Pseudo science, except the lab that actually tested for live infection in 'cases' is one of the big testing labs in France. The medical treatment cannot have the efficacy they state, have you even read the documents that were released? Tested on fit and healthy 18-59 year olds only? You have of course read that the treatment is meant to reduce symptoms only, just like Tamiflu and that the peddlers have made no claims as to non transmission right?
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"So you admit you don't even understand what a vaccine actually is
Pseudo science, except the lab that actually tested for live infection in 'cases' is one of the big testing labs in France. The medical treatment cannot have the efficacy they state, have you even read the documents that were released? Tested on fit and healthy 18-59 year olds only? You have of course read that the treatment is meant to reduce symptoms only, just like Tamiflu and that the peddlers have made no claims as to non transmission right?
So the UK gov documents declaring the supposed true infections is false then? The testing to find live infection is false, the fakse positives that Hancock and Johnson have already admitted to are false, the FP admitted by PHE are also incorrect?
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| Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"So you admit you don't even understand what a vaccine actually is
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His definition of a vaccine is correct . Part of, or whole, inactivated pathogen is introduced to generate an response from B cells and in some cases T cells. That response will persist and allow anyone being infected with the actual pathogen to mount a faster and more robust immunological response and in many cases prevent an infection from even developing. The elegance of an RNA (or DNA) vaccine is that it replicates what a virus actually does, enter a cell and make the cell do the work and create the antigen. That antigen then stimulates the protective immune response. Just because you don't understand how an RNA (or DNA) vaccine works is not our problem. |
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There is no comparison at all between the vaccines and tamiflu. '"
RNA vaccines have been highly sought after for several years. They are cheaper to make, and can cause B and T cell responses. There is an increasing amount of work going on into the T-cell response, trying to understand if that has an effect on severity of symptoms. There have been issues with how to effectively "deliver" the RNA (or DNA) package but it's now been done and it works. |
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Had my first shot this morning so I'm feeling extremely grateful to all the people who have worked incredibly hard to make this happen. Thank you very much.
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Let us know if Bill Gates turns up on your doorstep please.
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| Quote ="Willzay"Let us know if Bill Gates turns up on your doorstep please.'"
I probably won't be able to be to as according to that daft squirrel bloke above my DNA will have mutated me into a bicycle helmet. |
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| Quote ="Sandro II Terrorista"I probably won't be able to be to as according to that daft squirrel bloke above my DNA will have mutated me into a bicycle helmet.'"
Shouldn't squirrels be hibernating at this time of year ?
The covid denial thing is just bloody staggering.
A few months ago, people would say "I dont know anyone who's had it, do you".
Quite honestly, I'm getting to the point where I know more people that have had covid than those who have not.
Thankfully most have been ok, with just one of those people ending up in ICU (he's 5icon_cool.gif. Mind you, I dont know all that many in the 80+ group and I believe it is they who are at most risk. |
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| Quote ="Willzay"Let us know if Bill Gates turns up on your doorstep please.'"
And if George Soros is waiting for him in a parked up car. |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Shouldn't squirrels be hibernating at this time of year ?
The covid denial thing is just bloody staggering.
A few months ago, people would say "I dont know anyone who's had it, do you".
Quite honestly, I'm getting to the point where I know more people that have had covid than those who have not.
Thankfully most have been ok, with just one of those people ending up in ICU (he's 5icon_cool.gif. Mind you, I dont know all that many in the 80+ group and I believe it is they who are at most risk.'"
Everyone is at risk. How the argument on who is most vulnerable is another story. |
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Sorry, poor wording on my part.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Sorry, poor wording on my part.
Equal risk but, significantly different likely outcome.
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That’s dependant on what you class as risk? Stay at home but go to work. Enough said from me. |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Shouldn't squirrels be hibernating at this time of year ?
The covid denial thing is just bloody staggering.
A few months ago, people would say "I dont know anyone who's had it, do you".
Quite honestly, I'm getting to the point where I know more people that have had covid than those who have not.
Thankfully most have been ok, with just one of those people ending up in ICU (he's 5icon_cool.gif. Mind you, I dont know all that many in the 80+ group and I believe it is they who are at most risk.'"
Correct
But I can honestly say I know maybe a dozen that have been in hospital with it and 4 who have died (Age Ranging from 48 to Mid 70's)
But as a poster who I very rarely see on here kept telling me back in April/May - It's just anecdotal etc. |
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Correct
But I can honestly say I know maybe a dozen that have been in hospital with it and 4 who have died (Age Ranging from 48 to Mid 70's)
But as a poster who I very rarely see on here kept telling me back in April/May - It's just anecdotal etc.'"
You never know our luck.
He might come along and give us a perfectly feasible explanation as to why we've had the highest increase in deaths in a single year since 1940?
Or why there were 91,000 more deaths in 2020 than the average between years 2015 to 2019? |
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| Quote ="WIZEB"You never know our luck.
He might come along and give us a perfectly feasible explanation as to why we've had the highest increase in deaths in a single year since 1940?
Or why there were 91,000 more deaths in 2020 than the average between years 2015 to 2019?'"
Or why his parents in April/May just "Wanted to get on with their lives as life was for the young ones" and then 4 months later on 2nd wave wanted to protect the elderly (Or words to that effect) and wanted his parents protecting! |
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Correct
But I can honestly say I know maybe a dozen that have been in hospital with it and 4 who have died (Age Ranging from 48 to Mid 70's)
But as a poster who I very rarely see on here kept telling me back in April/May - It's just anecdotal etc.'"
Have you had symptoms? What makes you different from the people you know to have had it? Are you Asymptomatic?
Do you you know?
No you don’t.. What you know is irrelevant as is with all of us. |
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Do you you know?
No you don’t.. What you know is irrelevant as is with all of us.'"
What are you talking about?
I have had it, tested positive, had a first vaccine .
Been working with the most vulnerable people for the last year.
But yeah,we're all liars, I haven't seen the people I work for or colleagues die. |
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| Quote ="atomic"Have you had symptoms? What makes you different from the people you know to have had it? Are you Asymptomatic?
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I have no idea what you mean by this reply
I don't know what your asking
But just for clarity, I know people who have died from this, people of my age (4icon_cool.gif and just slightly older with no underlying health issues and who were very healthy until this struck. It has a horrible disease that can affect anyone.
I don't know if I've had it
But I have PAID twice to have tests, the last one about 6 weeks ago for travel purposes.
Rules changed whilst I was abroad, did I complain when I got back, no, I isolated for 10 days.
My sons friend got it recently, guess what, my son who has been in contact with him 8 days ago got no yest and trace after call, but he isolated from the point of finding out about it, rang the test centre who told him Not to go for a test.
My point is/was, there were experts on here that told us to "Just get in with things". "Life has to carry on," "the elderly just want to get on with things and enjoy what time they have left", "send kids, colleges etc back to to school" and yet when the inevitable happened have gone missing after telling everyone like me that out stories were just "Anecdotal", because it didn't fit their argument.
There's another poster on here who says we can't really keep up testing 50,000 a day, with 250,000 test and trace requirements off the back of it.
Boris told is in April/May wed soon be doing 100,000 tests a day, with a world class test and trace straight after it, we know he was lying, so the current numbers are not an excuse.
Its been a show from day 1 and handled terribly (of course we were always going to be exposed, but it didn't need to have been this bad). Cue the you know whos coming up with all kinds of rubbish to distract away from this (that bloody Jeremy Corbyn!). Bit like Brexit really.
Anyway Atomic
Just let me know a little bit better what you meant by your reply
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I keep reading about the creation of mass testing centres but none in West, South Yorkshire and Humberside which are quite highly populated areas.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I keep reading about the creation of mass testing centres but none in West, South Yorkshire and Humberside which are quite highly populated areas.'"
There’s one at the rugby club at the back of me (Wigan area) - steady stream of elderly going through, from what I can see appears quite well organised - steady stream but no real queues.
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Pseudo science, except the lab that actually tested for live infection in 'cases' is one of the big testing labs in France. The medical treatment cannot have the efficacy they state, have you even read the documents that were released? Tested on fit and healthy 18-59 year olds only? You have of course read that the treatment is meant to reduce symptoms only, just like Tamiflu and that the peddlers have made no claims as to non transmission right?
