I thought you said 100% were illegal therefore it doesn’t make your argument.

Strange then that only a tiny fraction try to come to the UK compared to the numbers who go to and stay in Germany and France.

I'm well aware. I'm offering an explanation as to why people would want to take the risk to get to the UK as opposed to staying in a safe EU country as there are some people who can't wrap their head around it.

Shameful.
Them poor migrants looking forward to their sunny African summer holidays.
The BigBird is still on the tarmac.
This one's going well.

The Government are pretty clueless what to do really and thought for one millisecond about asking Sir Keir and his mates for advice then realised they'd probably make a bigger cock up than them, maybe you've got a theory or two how to solve a pretty desperate situation instead of taking the pish.

I think you got him there.

Despite what your right wing newspapers will tell you this isn't a "pretty desperate situation" for the UK (although clearly it is for the poor souls risking their lives).

Performatively sending them, at huge cost, to a country with major human rights issues is just grist for right wingers who have long since lost their moral and fiscal compasses.

First of all I don't read newspapers so left or right they are not my newspapers, now that we're clear on that I'll ask you the same question as I asked old numb nuts, do you have a plan to sort out this problem which is clearly causing concern, or will you just revert to type and blame the government, I could accuse your mates of also being clueless as they for once don't seem to have a solution either, till I realised that Sir Keir (notice how I've spelt his name right) and his band of merry men & woman aren't your mates at all, just someone to help you berate this Government, can't wait till the loony left get in to see you siding with the Tories against them

You're deliberately framing the whole discussion in a silly way with starting points of, "this is a HUGE CRISIS!!!" and "well if you don't believe in illegally deporting people to Rwanda what is your solution? It's a HUGE CRISIS?!".

1. It's not a huge crisis.
2. Deporting people, at a huge cost, to a country we have ourselves said has human rights failings failings is not the solution on a cost or a legal or a humane level.

What is my solution?

1. Follow the laws and international agreements we have signed up to
2. Fund the asylum and immigration systems properly so that there aren't backlogs - this is a lot cheaper than the Rwanda plan
3. If people don't meet the criteria (which is a minority of applicants) deport them in line with our international agreements and commitments
4. Don't be racist, xenophobic, irrational or afraid. If the media you follow or the politicians you support are encouraging you to think that poor people, mostly of colour, with few possessions and no money are the biggest problem you're facing then step back and think maybe you're being played for a fool.

I am not being a racist, xenophobic or irrational, I am simply asking you to supply your own answers to the problem in hand which you can't do but simply trot out the usual stuff from the papers which Incidentally I have already told you I don't read nor do I support any politician which once again I have gone to some length to tell you that before now, so if you do not have a solution don't try the soft shoe shuffle with your innuendos about my non existing political leanings to sidestep your own ignorance on the matter, incidentally I see you've sidestepped my question on whether or not you'll still have the same opinions if Sir Keir gets in next time, just a thought really as you've probably a long time to think about it.

If Starmer creates policy for nothing but short-term political gain which directly targets some of the weakest, most powerless in our country then yes I will criticise him too. Likewise if he tries to undermine our democratic institutions and election processes, brings shame to our country on the world stage or breaks laws - civil, criminal or international.

The easiest option would be to set up legal sites in various countries to allow those wishing to apply to do so before they get to the channel. Their applications can then be approved or rejected. This would then indicate that those coming had been rejected or not applied making it easier to return them.
The problem is that the Home office is basically not fit for purpose with current applications taking too long and we don’t have legal routes in those countries where they are most needed.
I suppose it depends on the purpose of the flights and what type of the U.K. population they are trying to appeal to.
I hope that helps you Chissitt with an alternative or is this still not acceptable to you.

Well surprisingly enough it does, surely it's far better to find a decent solution than to blame the Government who clearly haven't got a clue, but that's just me talking because I also don't have a clue, maybe if the French and the English got together and between them sorted the smugglers out it might go a long way to solving the problem who knows, personally I would say the French are more to blame than us, but that's just my opinion.

You're saying you don't have a clue but think the French are to blame.
Seems about right

The only place that many can apply for asylum is once they arrive in the U.K. because the embassy’s are not authorised to handle asylum claims. The problem then is that to get to the U.K. by plane you need a visa and to get one you need to be authorised to enter. This is therefore entirely the government’s fault because it basically does not currently have a system in place, just look at the mess they made in Afghanistan and Ukraine.
The further problem is that our Home Secretary is pretty much disliked in the majority of countries including France which she admits to no longer having any sort of contact with.
I guess those that believe the government’s stance do so because it panders to what they want to hear.

it is a distraction tactic from party gate and multiple other law breaches the current gov have made.

Everyone's entitled to have an opinion even if they admit to not having a clue.
It's called bellendery.

It is clear that many of de Pfeffel’s government failed to understand that we cannot leave the ECHR because it forms part of the good Friday agreement which de Pfeffel wants to protect apparently. If we were to leave then we are in breach of the agreement with the multitude of problems that would be brought on the U.K.

100%.

Its failure as an immigration policy was designed in to maximise distraction and outrage.

Same with the NI protocol stuff.

It is meant to fail and provoke anger.

Government driven only by the need to stoke resentment to hide incompetence and corruption.

Nice try holy ghost but once again no cigar, what I said was that like the UK government I did not have a clue how to fix this massive problem, at least Scarlet has thought about it and put forward his plans for a solution unlike yourself and numb nuts from the hamptons who accuses me of bellendery or whatever can only put forward insults, It's harder in France to get Asylum as the process is harder and takes longer maybe that's why they try to come to the UK, it's not too difficult to realise that every boat load that leaves France is one less problem for them to deal with as they they're own problems with migrants, but that's probably too hard for you to comprehend.

You appear to have missed my reply of yesterday with what we need to do.

Unfortunately as you cling to the delusion that this is some sort of national crisis it's going to be hard to have a sensible discussion.

Serious problem yes, national crisis no, that's the interpretation your putting on it, you should be playing for the rhinos with a sidestep you possess


If you want a sensible discussion you need to get past your bitterness towards the Government.

They are no longer a government they are a law breaking sham who are finding ways to kick down on the powerless and the weak to make themselves look strong for their political ends. They don't care how much it costs the country, they don't care if courts repeatedly find them to have broken laws, they don't care that they've destroyed our economy, they don't care if our international allies are stepping further away from us.

Johnson and his cabinet of no talents could do almost nothing that would remove my contempt for them.

I live on the Kent Coast and see these migrant boats arrive fairly regularly, close to where I live.
They land the migrants at the local lifeboat station, having been escorted in by the RNLI. Then they whisk them off in minibuses.
The ones I have seen recently do not look that needy. All male, mid to early twenties and well dressed, they have the latest trainers, mobile phones and certainly do not look as if they have been living rough, prior to their departure from France.
What I would say is, they do take a great risk crossing in these craft. The sea lanes are very busy and one day one of them will get run down by one of the massive vessels that travel through.
People around here, by and large, do not have too much sympathy for the migrants.

Sounds like people of good working age, who could, if given the chance, fill the gaps in labour in the uk and end up paying taxes.