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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Could be wrong, but if the refugees attempt to gain entry undercover/smuggled in etc doesn't this automatically also then classify the person as an illegal immigrant ?'"
I could be wrong myself but if any refugee reaches land in the UK and claims asylum, they are classed as refugees under international law.
After processing their application, they will either be granted asylum or, deported.
It was a relatively easy,, whilst we were member of the EU to send them back to France, or wherever it was in Europe they originated from as this was what the EU members agreed.
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| Quote ="Superblue"Well if we are so densely populated, how come the tories have let in 50,000 Indians, 50,000 Hong Kongers, 50,000 Afghans, and 50,000 assorted in the last 6 months
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Good question, I suspect that we had a duty of care for the Afghans, probably the Hong Kong contingent had plenty of money. As for the Indians I have no idea. By the way I am certainly not defending the Tory party.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"I could be wrong myself but if any refugee reaches land in the UK and claims asylum, they are classed as refugees under international law.
After processing their application, they will either be granted asylum or, deported.
It was a relatively easy,, whilst we were member of the EU to send them back to France, or wherever it was in Europe they originated from as this was what the EU members agreed.'"
Any chance you could supply the figures that we supposedly sent back to France whilst we were still in the eu.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Then you have nothing to worry about after all Boris is well known for his skills running the country and he is surrounded by the great and the good.
We will have to forget the way that Milliband made Boris look the fool in a debate.[u I definitely look forward to Priti against Yvette Cooper when she defends some other half baked idea for keeping those pesky refugees out.[/u My particular favourite was the wave machine to drive the boats back. I suppose in Summer it could be used to practice her surfing skills. The border force jet skis could be hired out from a beach in Kent because they are of little use in the English Channel.'"
What do you mean by the term those pesky refugees blink?
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Proof please that the tories massive 13 point lead will change'"
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| Quote ="chissitt"What do you mean by the term those pesky refugees blink?'"
Try asking some of them living rent free in your head Chissy
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman":2dyk27dxAny chance you could supply the figures that we supposedly sent back to France whilst we were still in the eu.'" :2dyk27dx
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"[u[/https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793'"
My fingers are to fat to paste the link properly.
You could do your own research for more info if you want to.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"The poor unfortunates making their way to the UK are refugees. They only become illegal immigrants if their applicationto remain is refused.
Just have a bit of sympathy for their plight will you?'"
The majority are economic migrants making a journey that takes them through multiple safe countries giving them ample opportunities to claim asylum before they even reach France ,why do they choose to pay £5 grand then to make the dangerous crossings?
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Any chance you could supply the figures that we supposedly sent back to France whilst we were still in the eu.'"
21 got sent back to France in 2019 ,obviously we were still in the EU
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| The UK, as a civilised country, has a responsibility to take in refugees from war-torn or destroyed and dangerous countries. The handful coming over by boat are a tiny pecentage of the number of displaced people in the world. The absolute terror they cause the red-faced, anti-British, anti-humanity brigade should be no impediment to us doing the right thing. Even the Tories used to believe that before they became a white nationalist party.
We are already failing to pull our weight, not least because our ill-advised military interventions over decades have contributed to the instability that many are escaping from.
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"The majority are economic migrants making a journey that takes them through multiple safe countries giving them ample opportunities to claim asylum before they even reach France [u,why do they choose to pay £5 grand then to make the dangerous crossings?[/u'"
Simply because France make it much harder to claim asylum than in this country.
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| Quote ="Superglue"Try asking some of them living rent free in your head Chissy
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Another sticky point that.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Simply because France make it much harder to claim asylum than in this country.'"
Another headline straight from the Daily Mail
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Another headline straight from the Daily Mail'"
All these desperate attempts to lie and deflect, and for what? To attack some of the poorest people on earth? To defend the Conservative party? To protect their ill- found ideological adventure?
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"All these desperate attempts to lie and deflect, and for what? To attack some of the poorest people on earth? To defend the Conservative party? To protect their ill- found ideological adventure?'"
People seeking asylum is different to economic migrants ,you do know that don't you
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Another headline straight from the Daily Mail'"
It was a quote from your bezzie mate Blink if it helps
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"The UK, as a civilised country, has a responsibility to take in refugees from war-torn or destroyed and dangerous countries. The handful coming over by boat are a tiny pecentage of the number of displaced people in the world. The absolute terror they cause the red-faced, anti-British, anti-humanity brigade should be no impediment to us doing the right thing. Even the Tories used to believe that before they became a white nationalist party.
We are already failing to pull our weight, not least because our ill-advised military interventions over decades have contributed to the instability that many are escaping from.'"
I don't think many would be against people fleeing war or persecution being taken in by the UK ,its the economic migrants which are the majority that's the problem, if they want to come then go through the correct ways ,apply for a Visa, that way we know who is coming in and the have the necessary skills to add to our economy
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Another headline straight from the Daily Mail'"
Not really sure of the relevance of where the headline is from, personally would be more interested whether the headline is correct.
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"I don't think many would be against people fleeing war or persecution being taken in by the UK '" Sure you're not. Which is why it's so easy to get here.
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Quote ="JONNYGIANT",its the economic migrants which are the majority'" Except, of course, that they're not.
Quote ="JONNYGIANT" if they want to come then go through the correct ways '" Which barely exist.
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| Quote ="Superglue"Well if we are so densely populated, how come the tories have let in 50,000 Indians, 50,000 Hong Kongers, 50,000 Afghans, and 50,000 assorted in the last 6 months
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Quote ="JonnyGiant"If they want to come then let them go through the correct way'"
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Well superglue seems to stick to be sticking with his figures, which adds weight to JonnyGiants point of view, so once again Nod it would appear that your making assumptions and half truths to suit your own agenda.
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| What I cannot understand is why all these people flee their own country - do they not have any fight in them? If someone tried to take over the UK would we just exit right to Eire - really?
How many displaced people should we take 500k, 1m, 5m, 10m - how do we support them all - do we provide club-class travel on jet planes to make the journey more pleasant - where are we going with this?
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| Quote ="chissitt"It was a quote from your bezzie mate Blink if it helps
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I'm glad that I dont live in your little world of make believe, where everyone has a pet name and yet, you dont give a stuff about the real world.
What's you secret ? Double dose of Benylin or something stronger ?
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| There is no such thing as an ‘illegal’ or ‘bogus’ asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.
It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.
The 1951 Refugee Convention guarantees everybody the right to apply for asylum. It has saved millions of lives. No country has ever withdrawn from it
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| Quote ="Jack Burton"There is no such thing as an ‘illegal’ or ‘bogus’ asylum seeker. Under international law, anyone has the right to apply for asylum in any country that has signed the 1951 Convention and to remain there until the authorities have assessed their claim.
It is recognised in the 1951 Convention that people fleeing persecution may have to use irregular means in order to escape and claim asylum in another country – there is no legal way to travel to the UK for the specific purpose of seeking asylum.
The 1951 Refugee Convention guarantees everybody the right to apply for asylum. It has saved millions of lives. No country has ever withdrawn from it'"
I'm arguing the point that the vast majority coming over in the boats are not fleeing war or persecution, even sans frontiere moved out of the camps in and around Calais because they realized that there was no genuine refugees only sub saharan economic migrants .
As a country we will always need immigration, but we need the right type ,people who will bring skills that we are desperately short of
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