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| Quote ="TheWarringtonWolve69"I can’t believe this thread is still going for the worst Labour leader since Michael foot lmao'"
Then you have nothing to worry about after all Boris is well known for his skills running the country and he is surrounded by the great and the good.
We will have to forget the way that Milliband made Boris look the fool in a debate. I definitely look forward to Priti against Yvette Cooper when she defends some other half baked idea for keeping those pesky refugees out. My particular favourite was the wave machine to drive the boats back. I suppose in Summer it could be used to practice her surfing skills. The border force jet skis could be hired out from a beach in Kent because they are of little use in the English Channel.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Then you have nothing to worry about after all Boris is well known for his skills running the country and he is surrounded by the great and the good.
We will have to forget the way that Milliband made Boris look the fool in a debate. I definitely look forward to Priti against Yvette Cooper when she defends some other half baked idea for keeping those pesky refugees out. My particular favourite was the wave machine to drive the boats back. I suppose in Summer it could be used to practice her surfing skills. The border force jet skis could be hired out from a beach in Kent because they are of little use in the English Channel.'"
Pesky refugees? I presume you mean the illegal immigrants .
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Pesky refugees? I presume you mean the illegal immigrants .'"
The poor unfortunates making their way to the UK are refugees. They only become illegal immigrants if their applicationto remain is refused.
Just have a bit of sympathy for their plight will you?
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"The poor unfortunates making their way to the UK are refugees. They only become illegal immigrants if their applicationto remain is refused.
Just have a bit of sympathy for their plight will you?'"
What's the difference between a normal refugee and a pesky refugee described by scarlet?
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"The poor unfortunates making their way to the UK are refugees. They only become illegal immigrants if their applicationto remain is refused.
Just have a bit of sympathy for their plight will you?'"
Could be wrong, but if the refugees attempt to gain entry undercover/smuggled in etc doesn't this automatically also then classify the person as an illegal immigrant ?
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"The poor unfortunates making their way to the UK are refugees. They only become illegal immigrants if their applicationto remain is refused.
Just have a bit of sympathy for their plight will you?'"
The ease with which some people have become comfortable with minimising or even celebrating the loss of human life shows how unhinged, how full of hatred, a segment of our country has become.
They are utterly convinced that it's the people below them dragging them down not those above pushing.
It's migrants' fault the nhs is so busy it's close to failure. It's migrants who are clogging up the public housing stock. It's immigrants who are taking all the well paying jobs.
It's not the government who has criminally destroyed health spending, who has shown no interest in building homes for the poor, who has overseen a low skills, low pay, rights-free workforce.
Instead the venom is focussed on those who have the least.
In Robert Kennedy's words, "We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of all. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge."
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"The ease with which some people have become comfortable with minimising death or even celebrating the loss of human life shows how unhinged, how full of hatred, a segment of our country has become.
They are utterly convinced that it's the people below them dragging them down not those above pushing. It's migrants fault the nhs is so busy it's close to failure. It's migrants who are clogging up the public housing stock. It's immigrants who are taking all the well paying jobs. Not the government who has criminally destroyed health spending, who has shown no interest in building homes for the poor, who has overseen a low skills, low pay, rights-free workforce.'"
Go on then give me a rough ball park figure as to how many we should take. Bearing in mind a large proportion of these come from all over Africa and the Middle East.
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| According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, by the end of 2018 there were 126,720 refugees, 45,244 pending asylum cases and 125 stateless persons in the UK.
That’s around one quarter of a percent (0.26%) of the UK’s total population
We currently receive around 35k asylum applications per year. France receives around 110k per year, and Germany receives around 150k per year. Asylum applications for the UK are less than half what they were 20 years ago.
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| Quote ="Jack Burton"According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, by the end of 2018 there were 126,720 refugees, 45,244 pending asylum cases and 125 stateless persons in the UK.
That’s around one quarter of a percent (0.26%) of the UK’s total population
We currently receive around 35k asylum applications per year. France receives around 110k per year, and Germany receives around 150k per year. Asylum applications for the UK are less than half what they were 20 years ago.'"
Roughly speaking our population is 2 or 3 million more than France. Compare the land mass then take on board we are the most densely populated major country in Europe. Nobody knows how many illegal immigrants are in the uk, certainly the ones who break free from boats and trucks without being apprehended seem to disappear without any problem. I certainly don’t blame anyone trying to reach England and achieve a better life irrespective of the legality. Be interesting to see how the Labour Party handles this toxic scenario at the next election, certainly the majority of the working class are totally against mass immigration.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Roughly speaking our population is 2 or 3 million more than France. Compare the land mass then take on board we are the most densely populated major country in Europe. Nobody knows how many illegal immigrants are in the uk, certainly the ones who break free from boats and trucks without being apprehended seem to disappear without any problem. I certainly don’t blame anyone trying to reach England and achieve a better life irrespective of the legality. Be interesting to see how the Labour Party handles this toxic scenario at the next election, certainly the majority of the working class are totally against mass immigration.'"
Well if we are so densely populated, how come the tories have let in 50,000 Indians, 50,000 Hong Kongers, 50,000 Afghans, and 50,000 assorted in the last 6 months
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| Quote ="TURFEDOUT"Could be wrong, but if the refugees attempt to gain entry undercover/smuggled in etc doesn't this automatically also then classify the person as an illegal immigrant ?'"
I could be wrong myself but if any refugee reaches land in the UK and claims asylum, they are classed as refugees under international law.
After processing their application, they will either be granted asylum or, deported.
It was a relatively easy,, whilst we were member of the EU to send them back to France, or wherever it was in Europe they originated from as this was what the EU members agreed.
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| Quote ="Superblue"Well if we are so densely populated, how come the tories have let in 50,000 Indians, 50,000 Hong Kongers, 50,000 Afghans, and 50,000 assorted in the last 6 months
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Good question, I suspect that we had a duty of care for the Afghans, probably the Hong Kong contingent had plenty of money. As for the Indians I have no idea. By the way I am certainly not defending the Tory party.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"I could be wrong myself but if any refugee reaches land in the UK and claims asylum, they are classed as refugees under international law.
After processing their application, they will either be granted asylum or, deported.
It was a relatively easy,, whilst we were member of the EU to send them back to France, or wherever it was in Europe they originated from as this was what the EU members agreed.'"
Any chance you could supply the figures that we supposedly sent back to France whilst we were still in the eu.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Then you have nothing to worry about after all Boris is well known for his skills running the country and he is surrounded by the great and the good.
We will have to forget the way that Milliband made Boris look the fool in a debate.[u I definitely look forward to Priti against Yvette Cooper when she defends some other half baked idea for keeping those pesky refugees out.[/u My particular favourite was the wave machine to drive the boats back. I suppose in Summer it could be used to practice her surfing skills. The border force jet skis could be hired out from a beach in Kent because they are of little use in the English Channel.'"
What do you mean by the term those pesky refugees blink?
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Proof please that the tories massive 13 point lead will change'"
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| Quote ="chissitt"What do you mean by the term those pesky refugees blink?'"
Try asking some of them living rent free in your head Chissy
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman":2dyk27dxAny chance you could supply the figures that we supposedly sent back to France whilst we were still in the eu.'" :2dyk27dx
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"[u[/https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53734793'"
My fingers are to fat to paste the link properly.
You could do your own research for more info if you want to.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"The poor unfortunates making their way to the UK are refugees. They only become illegal immigrants if their applicationto remain is refused.
Just have a bit of sympathy for their plight will you?'"
The majority are economic migrants making a journey that takes them through multiple safe countries giving them ample opportunities to claim asylum before they even reach France ,why do they choose to pay £5 grand then to make the dangerous crossings?
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"Any chance you could supply the figures that we supposedly sent back to France whilst we were still in the eu.'"
21 got sent back to France in 2019 ,obviously we were still in the EU
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| The UK, as a civilised country, has a responsibility to take in refugees from war-torn or destroyed and dangerous countries. The handful coming over by boat are a tiny pecentage of the number of displaced people in the world. The absolute terror they cause the red-faced, anti-British, anti-humanity brigade should be no impediment to us doing the right thing. Even the Tories used to believe that before they became a white nationalist party.
We are already failing to pull our weight, not least because our ill-advised military interventions over decades have contributed to the instability that many are escaping from.
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"The majority are economic migrants making a journey that takes them through multiple safe countries giving them ample opportunities to claim asylum before they even reach France [u,why do they choose to pay £5 grand then to make the dangerous crossings?[/u'"
Simply because France make it much harder to claim asylum than in this country.
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| Quote ="Superglue"Try asking some of them living rent free in your head Chissy
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Another sticky point that.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Simply because France make it much harder to claim asylum than in this country.'"
Another headline straight from the Daily Mail
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Another headline straight from the Daily Mail'"
All these desperate attempts to lie and deflect, and for what? To attack some of the poorest people on earth? To defend the Conservative party? To protect their ill- found ideological adventure?
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