[url=http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/nhs-privatisation-compilation-of.htmlMPs and their links to private healthcare[/url

You know when I said "authoritative", what did you read that as?
Which part of "Confusion at noon and midnight" did you take as meaning "authoritatively am/pm"?
Have I not already made my position plain in my reference to "worthless poll of meaningless conventions"?

You stated (with no equivocation) that noon is 12pm.
That is incorrect, as I have clearly demonstrated.

It's embarrassing when those who criticise others for not owning up to being wrong then fail to own up themselves.

I'd say the New York Times is probably the most authoritative newspaper on earth. Even they employed Jayson Blair and published "his" work.

That wikipedia article fully explains confusion between 12 am and 12 pm. I didn't go to all that work and edit it myself. It was already there.

You want people to write 12 noon on appointment slips, rather than 12 am or pm. No one else thinks it's worth the effort to do that.

Your intial post was of a mocking tone of "The person instructed me to turn up at midnight, but I'm superior so I will ignore their mistake and turn up at noon when they meant."

This why sensible countries have adopted the 24 hour clock.

I do get the point that you were trolling me. I also completely missed the Oxo Tower joke that you made.

I thought the punchline (maybe by your sidekick?) was hilarious.

You probably made up the 12pm appointment in the same way you made up the Oxo Tower conversation. (Or you were telling the Oxo Tower joke but it was too subtle for anyone to get and it needed the other poster to point it out.)

But arguing for noon being 12 am is still BS. Whether you were trolling or not.

And the amount of people who say, "I was only trolling anyway" is probably about 500 times larger than the amount of people who were genuinely trolling to make a point.

How many 24 hour clocks have you seen?

I wasn't trolling, at least not at first, I was possibly guilty of low-key intellectual snobbery in my phrasing but as I was typing I thought to myself "I know who'll respond" then it became fun when you started lobbing-in "moronic" and becoming more vehement.
I didn't make a joke about the Oxo Tower, someone else cleverly tilted my true story to make (imho) a very witty riposte that also took me a couple of readings to understand, the joke was on me not by me.
The appointment is genuine, it's on Wednesday (i.e. midweek)


Saying that noon is 12pm (with no equivocation) is BS and you still haven't said you were wrong.
No matter.

Loads.
Arguably my favourite is the elegant (analogue ! ) Shepherd Galvano-magnetic clock on the wall of the Greenwich Observatory, but hey, what do they know about time-measurement eh?

Then there's the one in OldTownSquare in Prague, and the one on a tower through which trams run, in Berne.

For digital 24 hr displays, however, I'd point at most railway station passenger information boards.

So 3 is loads?

Compared to what, a billion household clocks and watches that still have the standard 12 hour clock.



And that's more to do with the timetables than the clocks.

It is moronic to argue in favour of 12am being noon.



The joke on you happened at the tube station when the guy asked you for directions to the Oxo Tower.



Before this thread, I'd have probably said that I didn't know or give a s**t.

Given 20 seconds to think about it, I'd have said noon being 12pm and and midnight 12am made the most common sense.

The argument on this thread is caused by you arguing that it actually makes more sense for noon to be 12am and midnight 12 pm, which is BS.

You are right that complete pedant tvvats will point out that neither noon or midnight should be given either am or pm. These are probably the same divs who complained because people were celebrating because the calender reached 2000 and we weren't actually celebrating a new millennium.

I am wrong for arguing this stupid with you. But you're wrong for arguing this stupid with me AND coming with up with BS argument that noon = 12am makes any sense.

Alright, peeps. Let's quit the thread drift - more of a landslide - and get back on topic, please.

Of course three is not loads, they were simply three very famous 24 hour clocks, one at what is arguably the world's most famous horologically-interesting location.


Eh?
You'll see digital 24 hour clocks on virtually every one of them, plus the digital displays on most platforms.

My alarm clock and, I would contend, most people's alarm clocks in the UK (maybe the world?) are either 24 hour or selectable between 12 and 24 hour.

~polite cough~

Awwwww ....

I'll send you to the naughty step, young man ...

Ooooookaaaay.

Printing timetables is clearer and easier using the 24 hour clock. In the mass of thousands of numbers it's far more obvious that 0400 is very different to 1600 than seeing the 04.00am and 04.00pm.

But most people operate with the 12 hour clock. Very few people are going to tell you they'll pick you up at 1915.

The reason that all the train stations will have the 24 hour clock is that some of the old and slow brained still won't be able to quickly work out that 1915 is 7.15pm. The 24 hour clock is there to help them.

FFS will one of the mods please clear all the [is[/ihit off this thread?

We are looking at the destruction of a system of universal healthcare and we've got arguments about 12 or 24 hour time systems. I can tell the difference, I couldn't give a flying fook about whether anyone else can or not. I'm more concerned with seeing ever increasing elements of the NHS handed over to private, profit-driven entities

And back to the topic.

www.express.co.uk/news/health/41 ... ppointment

www.express.co.uk/news/health/41 ... ppointment

I got his opinion for nothing. I don't value it.

That was the front page story of the Express. A stupid survey from a medical magazine. No news today?

Its a very stupid idea from a group of people who should know better and who are merely financially motivated, any political party who picks up that particular baton will be signing their own death warrant for the next 50 years worth of elections (or would be if the opposition had any balls).

1. You already pay for your GP to consult with re: your health.

2. Force people to pay and you may drive away a small handful of time wasters but you'll also drive away vast numbers of genuinely ill patients, patients that those very same doctors are already being paid to look after.

3. A&E departments will become your city's doctors surgery, only difference is that they may only have the same number of doctors as your local doctors surgery, but there will be 100 times more people in the waiting room - and all the time your own doctor will be standing outside his surgery door scratching his and wondering how all of his patients suddenly cured themselves.


If GP's want to stop taking the NHS payments based on the number of residents in their catchment area then fine, let them go to a totally private system where you pay your doctor every time you need his/her advice (hint - it never worked well prior to 1946 and it won't again - it also didn't work out that well for dentists either), otherwise just do the bloody job we already pay you for.

As LGJM has already said, the "survey" is pi[is[/ispotical and the reporting of it is stupid in the extreme.

An on-line survey on the Pulse website, attracted 440 responses. Now it we are even to assume all respondents were GPs (they weren't), that still represents considerably less than 1% of the current number of licensed GPs. So around 0.3% of the registered GPswould like to introduce some form of charging. As for quality of responses, did the reporter not think some were more than a little tongue in cheek, hence the "£150 for solicitors and accountants”. I'm only surprised that respondent didn't include estate agents too.

Another Dally non-story

Who the hell believes anything in these papers?

[uOne doctor[/u suggests a means-tested payment up to £150 ... and what does the Sexpress print as a headline? "[size=150Doctors want you to pay £150 for an appointment[/size".

Lying bstrads.