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| Quote ="rover49"He had a gun with him, which probably means he wasn't nipping out for a pint of milk. The officer knew he had a gun, but didn't know what he was holding wasn't the gun and shot him. Duggan was a criminal who was probably out on some form of criminal activity (or why take a gun) and paid the price for his stupidity. With all the recent gun incidents around the country I cannot blame the copper for his actions, if he had hesitated and it WAS a gun we would be discussing the death of a police officer, not a scumbag, the difference being there probably wouldn't have been so much outcry for a copper over a criminal.
I for one am comfortable with the officers actions and the jury's decision.'"
When we start being comfortable offing people because they are scumbags and we are scared of them and they were probably off to do some crime. We are in a whole heap of .
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"When we start being comfortable offing people because they are scumbags and we are scared of them and they were probably off to do some crime. We are in a whole heap of poop.'"
So we let them commit the crime and off the copper BEFORE we do anything. I prefer the dead scumbag to the dead copper.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"When we start being comfortable offing people because they are scumbags and we are scared of them and they were probably off to do some crime. We are in a whole heap of poop.'"
Why??.... Personally, I think it would be a good start if we had organised armed squads actually offing scum like Duggan (like the Northern Ireland hit squads that were recently outed).
Nothing riles me more than when you hear about characters being referred to as known gangsters/ drug dealers/general scum, yet they are allowed to strut about with no threat of comeuppance - More no nonsense policing like the Duggan case would be appreciated by the majority of the British public.
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| Quote ="Richie"We live in one of the wealthiest countries with some of the greatest opportunities opportunities to do what you want and live comfortably. You're in the lucky 10% of the world population. If you can't do it here, you won't do it anywhere else.'"
Totally flawed logic. Every country has it's success stories regardless what it's rated as. First world problems are still problems and shouldn't be brushed off with statements like this.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Totally flawed logic. Every country has it's success stories regardless what it's rated as. First world problems are still problems and shouldn't be brushed off with statements like this.'"
Tough choosing between Nike and Adidas isn't it. Would you have been happier being born in North Korea?
You won the lottery of life when you were born. Don't waste it.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"Why??.... Personally, I think it would be a good start if we had organised armed squads actually offing scum like Duggan (like the Northern Ireland hit squads that were recently outed).
Nothing riles me more than when you hear about characters being referred to as known gangsters/ drug dealers/general scum, yet they are allowed to strut about with no threat of comeuppance - More no nonsense policing like the Duggan case would be appreciated by the majority of the British public.'"
You then turn us into Mexico
I don't feel sorry for him but actually targetting and killing criminals makes us a little bit Mega City One.
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| Quote ="Richie"You won the lottery of life when you were born.'"
You do know you're talking to a man who hit himself with a brick don't you?
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| Quote ="Him"You do know you're talking to a man who hit himself with a brick don't you?'"
Yes. The self-imposed handicaps were why I said top 10% rather than top 5% ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Richie"Yes. The self-imposed handicaps were why I said top 10% rather than top 5%
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"You then turn us into Mexico
I don't feel sorry for him but actually targetting and killing criminals makes us a little bit Mega City One.'"
In hindsight, it comes across as extreme and I apologise for any offence - However, it does anger me when people try to make martyrs out of people who deserve absolutely no pity.
Rather than being concerned that the police may have gone OTT, we should actually be quite relieved that there is one less vermin on the streets of Britain.
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| Quote ="Richie"Tough choosing between Nike and Adidas isn't it. Would you have been happier being born in North Korea?
You won the lottery of life when you were born. Don't waste it.'"
I've read some wonderful stories about people overcoming adversity in North Korea. You should give Barbara Demicks 'Nothing to Envy' a read sometime.
When it comes to analogies to where people are born, I rather like what George Carlin once said:
Quote ="George Carlin"When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat.'"
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I've read some wonderful stories about people overcoming adversity in North Korea. You should give Barbara Demicks 'Nothing to Envy' a read sometime. '"
Can you summarise it for me?
Quote ="Damo-Leeds"When it comes to analogies to where people are born, I rather like what George Carlin once said:'"
Where would you have preferred to have been born?
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Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I've read some wonderful stories about people overcoming adversity in North Korea. You should give Barbara Demicks 'Nothing to Envy' a read sometime. '"
I've skimmed it here
nothingtoenvy.com/nothing-to-envy-excerpt//
I guess you feel pretty lucky you had the head start of not having to overcome those adversities?
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Quote ="Damo-Leeds"I've read some wonderful stories about people overcoming adversity in North Korea. You should give Barbara Demicks 'Nothing to Envy' a read sometime. '"
I've skimmed it here
nothingtoenvy.com/nothing-to-envy-excerpt//
I guess you feel pretty lucky you had the head start of not having to overcome those adversities?
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| Quote ="Richie"Can you summarise it for me?
Where would you have preferred to have been born?'"
It's a book about people's lives in North Korea. Barbara Demick interviewed a number of Asylum Seeker from the north who are now living in the south. It covers both good and bad things that happened in these peoples lives.
Being born in 1990 would have been a lot better as been involved with four decades makes me feel old. What this has got to do with Mark Duggan I don't really know. Maybe time to get back on topic?
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"It's a book about people's lives in North Korea. Barbara Demick interviewed a number of Asylum Seeker from the north who are now living in the south. It covers both good and bad things that happened in these peoples lives. '"
I know what it's about. I was looking for a summary.
Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Being born in 1990 would have been a lot better as been involved with four decades makes me feel old. What this has got to do with Mark Duggan I don't really know. Maybe time to get back on topic?'"
Your first sentance didn't make any sense to me
We are kind of on-topic with Mark Duggan, you feeling he was forced into his outlaw lifestyle, due to the bad luck of being living in a country with one of the best lifestyles and best opportunities for success in the world
I'm more bothered about the family agitating more trouble.
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| Quote ="Richie"Your first sentance didn't make any sense to me
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It was a play on words. Think about it..
Quote ="Richie"We are kind of on-topic with Mark Duggan, you feeling he was forced into his outlaw lifestyle, due to the bad luck of being living in a country with one of the best lifestyles and best opportunities for success in the world
I'm more bothered about the family agitating more trouble.'"
This part of the world has the best lifestyles and best opportunities for success for some people but not for everyone. This is how this capitalist system works where the likes of Mark Duggan have to find other avenues to earn a living. Not everyone is going to be a squeaky clean success.
Last thing I heard was the family spokeswoman calling for peace.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"It was a play on words. Think about it.. '"
I have. It still makes no sense. You could clarify, or answer the question. Or could do neither.
Quote ="Damo-Leeds"This part of the world has the best lifestyles and best opportunities for success for some people but not for everyone. This is how this capitalist system works where the likes of Mark Duggan have to find other avenues to earn a living. Not everyone is going to be a squeaky clean success.
Last thing I heard was the family spokeswoman calling for peace.'"
Why do you think all other avenues were closed to Mark Duggan?
Is there a part of the world that's better for that? I didn't say everyone would be a squeaky clean success.
Last I heard was the family calling "No peace without justice" and giving a nazi-esque one fist salute.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds" This is how this capitalist system works where the likes of Mark Duggan have to find other avenues to earn a living. Not everyone is going to be a squeaky clean success.
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Fair enough, but Duggan and his apologists can't be shocked when the police seemingly break the rules, in a response to them themselves breaking society's rules.
Many people are disadvantaged by the capitalist system, the vast majority don't resort to playing games with guns and drugs.
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| This is a human life we're talking about.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"This is a human life we're talking about.'"
No it's not, he's dead. And good riddance.
Spare me the bleeding heart cr*p. He and his little gangsta buddies wouldn't think twice about slotting or cutting you if they took a shine to your mobile, watch, wallet, car or whatever. I've no problem with him meeting a perforated end.
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| Quote ="Cronus"No it's not, he's dead. And good riddance.
Spare me the bleeding heart cr*p. He and his little gangsta buddies wouldn't think twice about slotting or cutting you if they took a shine to your mobile, watch, wallet, car or whatever. I've no problem with him meeting a perforated end.'"
Exactly that
We are meant to feel sorry for someone who wouldn't think twice on ruining someone else's life for his own gain.
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| Quote ="Wire Yed"Exactly that
We are meant to feel sorry for someone who wouldn't think twice on ruining someone else's life for his own gain.'"
Are we buggery and can you point to any Duggan supporters on here apart from Damo who tried to futilely suggest Duggan had little option but be a villain?
He is roundly condemned.
That is NOT the issue.
So please keep the tostesterone out of the debate.
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| Quote ="Cronus"No it's not, he's dead. And good riddance.
Spare me the bleeding heart cr*p. He and his little gangsta buddies wouldn't think twice about slotting or cutting you if they took a shine to your mobile, watch, wallet, car or whatever. I've no problem with him meeting a perforated end.'"
The issue is the Police killing someone in dodgy circumstances and not the suggestion that they get away with.
Still it makes a change from the Police just murdering black men or people with mental health problems in Police stations.
At least they have now evovled into killing them on the street and , allegedly planting guns on them to justify it.
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| Quote ="Richie"Last I heard was the family calling "No peace without justice" and giving a nazi-esque one fist salute.'"
[url=http://news.sky.com/story/1192734/mark-duggans-aunt-shocked-and-bewilderedYou haven't been keeping up to date with the story then[/url.
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| Quote ="Cronus"No it's not, he's dead. And good riddance.
Spare me the bleeding heart cr*p. He and his little gangsta buddies wouldn't think twice about slotting or cutting you if they took a shine to your mobile, watch, wallet, car or whatever. I've no problem with him meeting a perforated end.'"
Well your no better than the likes of Mark Duggan in this world if you think two wrongs make a right.
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