I believe a general election will be the second referendum in a warped kind of way. You'll have parties who will say they will leave the EU with a hard stance and parties who say they will remain, then you'll have the ones in the middle who will offer something in between.

I don't know if they are racist xenophobes, but the Leavers do dislike the Remainians.

Biff is like the character in the film franchise, a bully, covered in manure, beaten by smarter people, cheats ro try and win and, eventually, ends up working for those who have ability way beyond theirs.

Lesson ends here as far as guff halfwhit gently slides to sleep now he's been given his calms. He'll probably order a curry and moan about the "cones"

Embarassed to be English with people like it around.

Seems Biff has either gone to the Bingo or been sedated, best result other than Corbyn being sacked and the nasty, anti progress party being disbanded and the SNP installed as the true opposition

new pm around september time, or decided who it will be anyway, then not long after that it will be triggered and negotiations begin

label me a racist with no evidence then chase me around throwing more insults.

its clearly you embarrassing yourself here.

Well it looks like the reasoned sensible discussion by myself , Roy and a few others yesterday has gone out the window

Back to the insults I see

Have to say I am disappointed with Mr Cameron , he called the referendum for his own personal and party reasons , he stated he would remain and deal with whatever was the result , he now has shown his cowardice in bucket loads

So essentially we are married to the Mafia ?

And you want us to stay and work for these people ? , notice I said for , not with , because that is the reality as well , remain now and we bend over forever , I'd rather take the financial hit

No mention of today's disasterous financials ?

You know nothing about me

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It's really important to look at the overall movements and the trends, not the daily volatility, as I mentioned in an earlier post. Also, as mentioned before, the FTSE 250 is a better indicator of the UK impact than the FTSE 100 (as the miners, multinationals, and anything with earnings not in pounds, are actually doing rather well from the devaluation of Sterling).

If you do, you can see that FTSE 250 is still nearly 8% down from Thursday. We're now in volatility stretch. I'd expect it to jump around quite a lot depending on announcements, but with an overall trend of down. Also, the picture on the exchange rate is also still clear : [url:7dvox89thttp://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=USD&view=1W[/url banks! Just a rumour at present. Wait 5 minutes and there'll be another one.

Quite correct Roy , just as expected , there will be ups and downs , and bigger ones than usual , when we do send the letter no doubt we will see a bigger ' crash ' , but even your good self was highlighting the down without suggesting what you've just posted

Not quite. I'm absolutely certain the trend will be down unless a serious movement/consensus begins to emerge at Westminster which finds us a way out of this mess and staying in the EU. At the moment, there's lots of hope that'll happen, but also tremendous fear it won't, so you'll see erratic ups and downs in a falling trend. But as soon as it becomes clear whether we can abort the self-destruct, or whether we're going full kamikaze, then you'll see a much more significant movement either up or down.

Our trade deficit has been a problem for years, and our economy has essentially been built on a ponzi scheme, while we've sold off our industries, and robbed ourselves of an opportunity to build an economy made up of actual substance.
We had an opportunity in 2008 to restore some much needed reality to the global economy, but we instead chose to reinstate the bubble, and we've been living in a zombie economy ever since. The economic turmoil we're seeing was bound to happen at some point (major shocks tend to occur every 8 years) given the mounting global debt, and stagnant growth. This will be painful for a prolonged period of time, but frankly it may well be necessary for the sustainability of the global economy in the long-term

Yep, I'd agree with all of that. Our economy since 2008 has been pretty much built on an illusion.

They can put it back in the Fondue as it wont be needed. Teresa will be the new Iron lady.

between may and gove now, great news that gove is going to try stand for pm

Gove's only reason for standing is to knock Boris out. The party membership wanted Boris. May is the Tory unity candidate and will easily smash it.

No. Gove will win. Welcome to fascist England.

Indeed.

Gove: What will happen if I press this red button?
Cabinet: You will initiate a nuclear strike on North Korea
Gove: I'm sick of you so called experts. What do you know anyway?

BOOM

When I call Gove a fascist, I'm not engaging in the usual messageboard over-exaggeration. In a very real sense, he is a modern fascist.

Fascism is making citizens subservient to a state which is run for and by big business. Note Gove's role at the DFE was to privatise the schools system and hand it over to the private sector. Every democratic part of the system which provided any control or accountability for citizens was removed: teacher governors, parent governors and LEA oversight were all based in local democracy. Gove has removed all three, and replaced it with a model of private companies, called MATs, which are intended to run all schools. These are not answerable to teachers, parents or their local communities. The largest of these MAT companies, like ARK and Harris, were invited to send their owners to the DFE management Board, where they are members. In this way, Government policy is directed by large companies, for large companies. Billions of pounds of assets and income have been transferred from public ownership and accountability to this corporate machine.

Fascism is also being willing to whip up mob hatred of "the other" as a scapegoat for economic ills. I don't need to point out what Gove has been party to in the last month. But he also did precisely this when at Education. He identified teachers as the "other", and launched an endless campaign of lies and misinformation, labelling them "enemies of promise", and "the blob", to attempt to create a justification for his privatisation. He has recently done this to immigrants generally, and he will do it again in due course.

Fascism is also when organs of the media are marshalled to push propaganda in a concerted fashion, to distort truth and build support for fascist positions. It is worth noting that both Murdoch and Rothermere have long been on record as wanting Gove to be PM. Gove worked for Murdoch, and his wife is a columnist for Rothermere. We can now expect the Mail and the Sun to tell as many lies cheerleading Gove's leadership campaign as they did during the referendum campaign.

Fascism is also notable for attracting a large proportion of psychopaths and sociopaths. I would point you to Dominic Cummings, who has been Gove's right-hand man since he became a minister, and is certifiably insane. People he worked with at DFE described him in all seriousness as a psychopath, and so did David Cameron. His appearance before the Parliamentary Select Committee in his role as Leave campaign manager would have been comic if it wasn't so terrifying. This is a man with utter contempt for truth, democracy, or even basic levels of politeness. He is a true psychopath, and Gove will install him at No10.

One final point. Nigel Farage is on record as saying that the only Tory leader he could cut a deal with is Gove. Nigel Farage is an out and out fascist. More brutal and less polished than Gove, certainly, but a fascist nonetheless. In every way, his policies and Gove's policies are identical - privatise all public services, including the NHS, remove all employment protections, ban any trade union power whatsoever.

Everyone, whether they voted Leave or Remain, should be terrified. Gove is the smiling face of 21st Century Fascism.

Absolutely the case and very well put; Gove, like Johnson, is not a politician by trade - he's a political journalist - and that is telling in the way they used journalistic techniques to manipulate the narrative around the Leave campaign.

Lord Puttnam's report into public service broadcasting was released yesterday; in an interview on Radio 4's media discussion show, he went totally off script and accused the media of criminal negligence in how they reported on the referendum. Big hitters from ITV, Sky News and Channel 4 News admitted that the Leave camp had 'gamed' the requirement for news outlets to balance their reporting - probably because they had intimate knowledge of how to do so.

I've also worked directly with people who were close to Gove during his blitzkrieg on the education system - he is universally described as a slimy, nasty operator, with an extreme dislike for the public sector workers who he perceived as a barrier to progress.

I'm so very pleased that Boris has been stabbed in the back, he'll get a sense of how many of the Brexiteers are feeling right now.

Is it a pre-requisite of being a member of the Bullingdon Club that you have to be castrated?

Apparently, some posters are not happy with some of the language being used here.

So please all play nicely.

I dunno – just as you'd expect the politicians that run our nation to behave.

You can't be castrated and be a complete pr/ck at the same time.
HTH