The thing is though mid term Starmer should be romping ahead in the polls,and what effects of Brexit are we talking about

I agree, absolutely.

However, having been so far back in the polls, both Starmer and Labour have caught up and as mentioned, this is before that actual pain begins.
Most people, quite rightly have gone along with the restrictions and pain that covid has brought.
The Government, have had free reign to spend, spend, spend to try and help the situation.
However, with crippling national debt and plenty of "new" issues (energy prices, fuel shortages, driver shortages), they have to be seen to be making the right decisions.
Bojo, being a fair weather politician, hasn't been too decisive in taking action on any of the issues. Instead, he just hopes they will go away. Sadly, they wont.
He always comes out with his positive spin on every situation and suggests that the "best case scenario" will happen but, as we have seen time and time again, it rarely does happen.

Labour should have slaughtered the Tories over their handling of Brexit but, were to busy fighting their own battles and lacked any kind of coherent policies (and to a large extent still do) but, Bojo's endless wishful promises are being exposed.

Hopefully, Labour can finally get themselves together and provide some stronger opposition.

If they cant, the last 11 years in opposition will be a mere snapshot in time in the political wilderness

I actually found myself in the unusual position of feeling sorry for Starmer when he was trying to give his speech and getting constantly heckled by the loonies in his party. But then i remembered the whole 'cervix' thing and i thought nah. Labour needs rid of the race and gender politics imo, they're a concern for about 0.5% of the country, joe public will be far more interested in pretty much anything else, taxes, honesty, the future of the country we live in.
Just a thought though

Feel sorry for starmer , a decent man trying to undertake a mammoth and difficult job. Not helped by the extreme left wing of the party. Which Seem to spend more time bleating about Palestinian problems and transgender topics.

And posting bilge on the sin bin aswell

Well I have an assurance from wrencat that both him and Monsieur Pimpernell have been nowhere near Brighton during they're party conference if that helps

That means that it could have been you and some of your right wing buddies that infiltrated conference.
Where were you on the afternoon in question.

The angry old woman disguise was a beauty, even I didn't realise it was you

LOL at lunatic right wingers complaining that we need to be rid of identity politics of whatever type. That's literally core to their political success.

You obviously missed the Angela Rayner speech.

Starmer will be out on his ear after the next election and Momentum will get their way and Angela Rayner will be the head honcho, can't wait

Seen as you voted Tory 3 times doe's that make you a lunatic?
Did you vote for Cameron because he promised a referendum or was it because you had a penchant for hugging a hoodie

You do know that the Tory party has lurched to the nationalistic right since 2010 don't you? Don't you!?

ID politics is all they're interested in now. Which is probably why you're such a big fan. Personally I prefer policy and results, but maybe I'm old fashioned.

You prefer policy and results, is that why you voted lib dems in the last election

Well he's gone and done it now,cabinet reshuffling without telling Rayner and kicking another corbynista out to boot ,he won't make the next election as leader

How can you take the mickey out of him for voting Tory 3 times, when you are 2/3 the way there yourself.
At least he didn't vote for Peppa Pig Johnson

Got to agree with you on this NOD, what is the point of your life making up stuff on a rugby league website trying to make yourself look intelligent and hoping nobody will catch you out with your half truths?

The thing here is JONNY, you can understand Boris getting rid of some cabinet members who don't do they're job properly, but Starmers lads are only pretend cabinet ministers that don't have a job and their only aim is to get up the speakers nose and cause disruption in the house when Boris is doing his business, other than that they don't have a job they are redundant, most of them can't even get a second job, so can you imagine Starmers embarrassment when he has to sack them sorry reshuffle them because they can't even get doing nothing right, but I'm sure Wink Blink and Nod will be on here sometime today after they've sorted out the worlds problems to make the necessary excuses for the incompetence, all three have a great sidestep so get ready for them to turn it round and blame the Prime Minister.

I see that you've been swatting up on how Parliament works (not).
I know that Bojo likes to think of himself as some kind of US president but, thankfully we haven't reached that stage over here yet.
You finally post some kind of opinion and I can see why you dont post you thoughts very often, preferring to snipe form the sidelines.

You should stick with finding a song beginning with "A"

Go on then Wink, explain in simple terms a) how do you know Boris likes to think himself as some kind of US president (this should be interesting) and b) just what exactly is a some kind of a US president, as for swatting up on how Parliament works wrong again squire, I was simply having a nap in me rocking chair after my tea and I heard it on the wireless, but you got that right when you say I don't post my thoughts very often, unlike your good self squire I see no point in implanting my thoughts on posters incessantly like you do trying to make yourself look intelligent, as for sniping isn't that what you and the Bowery boys do constantly with your innuendo's and half truths against the PM and the elected Government of the day same old same old. get a grip lad your sounding like your bezzie every day.

chissit just casually holding Labour shadow ministers to higher account for incompetence than actual ministers. Totally normal.

Never thought Kier Starmer had sense of humour. Apparently I was wrong, appointing David Lammy a stroke of comedy genius.

Like Dianne Abbott he certainly triggers a lot of people.

Please explain to me in simple terms Nod how I can hold Labour shadow ministers to higher account for incompetence than proper Government ministers, they're the ones that have a proper job and as such are accountable, where as those you constantly wax lyrical about don't have a job they can only dream of having a government post, don't take my word for it, ask the electorate, if your team were any good they would have been voted in, as I said before despite getting paid for doing nothing Starmers had to get rid of some of them, which beggars the question is he the right man to run the country when he can't even select a B team.

At least you are showing your true colours (blue) but you still couldn’t bring yourself to go out and vote for them.

As Ronald Reagan said, there you go again! I've yet to see you raise even the slightest objection to the gross incompetence and corruption seen in the current government, or delight in its many reshuffles. But Starmer does a reshuffle and you delight in the apparent evidence of the incompetence running through his party.

I've no real skin in the game as neither party is one I'd choose in a free choice. But when one is so obviously incompetent and that's the one presently in power it seems a bit odd to only focus on the people holding them to account.