He's dull with a weak team sat behind him. Bojo has charisma and can carry it off whilst connecting with the country. Another dull Labour leader won't get them anywhere.

You’ve probably put it better than me, but that’s the way I see it

At the end of this there is a good chance the country will be looking for competence rather than charisma.

Sadly Labours bench is very poor. Bojos new 'kiddie' will be in senior school when Bojo decides to step aside.

Bojo will come unstuck at some point, absolutely no doubt about it.
Labours chances of ever returning to power will hinge on whether they are good enough or clever enough to exploit Boris's bloopers.

One thing they have to do, is broaden their appeal, something that they havent managed since Blair was at the helm.

There is going to be a HUGE squeeze on the public purse once we start to come through the other end of the Covid 19 situation and this would be the chance for Labour to improve their standing.

Horrible Dorris, the health minister who at the moment you'd think would be too busy with health matters to re-tweet a doctored tweet from a nutty extreme right winger without checking its veracity, has got the ball rolling.

pity she's so thick and has quite rightly had a bollocking from one of the Tory whips who didn't also re-tweet without checking.

Embarrasing article from the Mail on Sunday. Even the readership thought so.

[urlhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8327255/Man-people-New-Labour-leader-Sir-Keir-owns-seven-acres-land-Surrey-worth-10m.html[/url

In a desperate attempt to smear Starmer as some sort of landed gentry, they actually uncovered the fact that over twenty years ago he bought a field so his mum could use it as a donkey sanctuary.

[urlhttps://www.thedonkeysanctuary.org.uk/who-we-are[/url

This is where we're at, folks.

Typical of the out of touch donkey-hugging liberal elite.

More of a dead cat than a donkey. In a week where the Tories have voted to reduce food and farming standards this story has done its job.

where has that vote happened, link please to the detailed, confirmed, reduction in standards?

https://www.specialityfoodmagazine.com/ ... ost-brexit While the standards are not explicitly being reduced, the current high standards are not being upheld either. Strange one really. All those true blue farmers getting one in the eye. Although, let's be honest. The Tories are only interested in the landowners, not the actual tenant farmers. They're not who the donations come from.

https://www.specialityfoodmagazine.com/ ... ost-brexit While the standards are not explicitly being reduced, the current high standards are not being upheld either. Strange one really. All those true blue farmers getting one in the eye. Although, let's be honest. The Tories are only interested in the landowners, not the actual tenant farmers. They're not who the donations come from.

I think the lure of a trade deal with the USA out ways all other considerations.

The obvious downside being Trump, chlorinated chicken,growth hormones in cattle/ pigs and GM crops. Are there any advantages for the UK?

I’m sure the US will back down when they see the whites of Johnson’s bleary eyes, just like the EU are going to, and we’ll get everything promised. We may not be as big or powerful as the EU or US, but these knock-kneed foreigner’s will be easily swayed by the vapid mumblings of our gormclops-in-chief. As soon as he starts saying ‘clearly’ followed by something opaque and meaningless, they’ll be putty in his hands. Chuck in the odd ‘ample’ and we’ll be home and dry.

I’m being sarcastic, obviously, but it has worked with voters in this country, so never know!

On a more serious note, why do we think there is a general consensus that the US will take us roughly, but redliners (not sure that works, but brexiteer feels outdated post-Brexit) often believe that the EU will fold. Is it that they don’t believe the EU is ‘real’ in the same way as the US (and I accept there are major differences) or that EU officials English can, in some cases, be slightly stilted and people think that indicates dim-wittedness? Or something else?

Trump has many, many faults but, as a negotiator, he is very, very good.
He shakes his opposite number until their weakness is exposed and then Boom !

When you look at his style with China, N. Korea etc, do you really think there will be any net gain for the UK ?

I think we need a dedicated topic setting up as were going off piste.

None whatsoever.

Other than taking back control, giving the NHS £350 million and no longer answering to unelected aristocrats. Wait a minute.....

A recent poll about preference of PM said people preferred Keir Starmer(37%) to Boris(35%). For a guy in charge for 3 months its not a bad result. He now has to work on rebuilding trust of the Labour Party.

I’d be very concerned if people didn’t prefer Starmer to Johnson. One’s a barrister - the other is a clown of a journalist.

Isn’t this the guy that decided not to prosecute the police officers who murdered that non white Brazilian dude who couldn’t speak English?

No,Starmer wasn't appointed until 2008.Decision not to prosecute was made in 2006.

It's amazing what lies are being circulated in the far right, Russian bot infested, facebook swamp.

And how many people take them at face value without doing a single bit of fact checking.

Don't be calling them stupid though as that really sets them off.