Isn't that like saying, "the window is already smashed. Just chuck another brick through it"?

The only upside of no deal will be that the world will be in such a state by then, we'll hardly notice.

The impact of leaving the EU on the economy will be lost within the impact of the virus. The problem will be the promises being made by Johnson because let’s face it, if you look at Northern Ireland he lied shock horror. The government appear to say that please ignore the additional workload but concentrate on the fact that we are not building new border posts like the EU requested but we are extending what is there already.
We cannot leave on a no deal because it is blatantly obvious that saying we are a big world player, we are not and the application of tariffs will have a big impact on a country whose people are suffering a severe recession.

Nothing much. But we have left, even if in name only in 2020, and this isn’t about Brexit anymore but about establishing a new relationship and securing a trade deal with the EU. Or, indeed, not doing so.



The Remain camp has been comprehensively defeated, and has ceased to exist in any meaningful sense. We went through the gamut of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance,

all the way to a political dead end. It failed to stop Brexit and it cannot mitigate it. That’s what we have to accept. There’s no good outcome from our POV (WTO-Australia or Canada-minus, who gives a poop?), all we can do is watch and enjoy the discomfiture of Johnson and Gove. They won, but it is a victory that has trapped them, and there’ll be a morbid joy in watching their dishonesty/stupidity coming back to haunt them. I mean, we’re all a wee bit stuffed as well, and that is going to be massively exacerbated by COVID, but that is all the more reason to find our pleasures where we can. I don’t want us to fail, but if we’re going to, I might as well have some fun slinging metaphorical turds at the divs who led the march. Loss can be so liberating.



I don’t have a horse in this race. Or rather, I have all three - agonising and ultimately futile delay, desperate race against the clock to a humiliating climb down or kamikaze crash out in the heart of an economic storm. In the absence of hope for something better, these are all defeats to savour.

As I see it, the EU wants the UK to carry forward too many of its rules to be tolerable for the UK government and public. The UK wants to retain too many of the benefits of membership without being a member to be tolerable to the EU. So I think we’re headed towards no new deal. The question, imo, is the timing of it. Any extension is meant to be about allowing more time for negotiation, but realistically could be used to avoid having to deal with one economic shock on top of another. That’s a tricky political sell but so is going the other way and looking stubbornly doctrinaire in the face of a crisis.

Absolutely agree

So we just continue to pay and obey whatever the EU lay down so we delay the inevitable to a suitable time? which in your is never - really?

To the victor belong the spoils...

I don’t know. That seems like a poor option, as do the others. We’re a bit screwed every which way. I don’t have a particular turd preference, but happily I don’t have to choose. These guys do... and they fully deserve the responsibility.



Tee hee.
#takecontol

Well, they’re in control now, aren’t they?!

To the victors, something that spoils.

If they follow the usual playbook they will try to focus on life after Brexit than what it was whilst we were members. It worked with the election where Johnson distanced himself from the previous 10 years of conservative rule. He is doing the same with the virus where past failures are either the Doctor’s fault regarding care home transfers, the scientists for stopping the testing regime and local councils for failing the same care homes.
He wants to concentrate on the now once again trying to persuade the country that they had no involvement in any of the mistakes.

Care homes are private businesses - 60% of which have had no Covid cases at all - they charge each customer plenty the least they could have done is isolate those coming back from hospital and provide their staff with sufficient/appropriate PPE.

The PPE was taken by the government for the NHS and care homes can isolate an individual if they know when they transfer from an hospital that they had the virus unfortunately this information was not readily available. The other is that without full PPE the careers could not be certain that they could not catch or spread the virus.
Let us not forget that Johnson stated he had a plan ready to go for social care I wonder what happened to that or could it be he was just making it up.

I just hope that his plan was better than his roadmap.

Or his over ready plan for the microwave

more lefty garbage, Sin Bin is nothing more than an online care home for some.

Better a care home than the asylum you inhabit

asylum, because I am capable of reasoned thought, my opinion based on fact not age old proven failed ideals?

keep going, it's funny...

No because you aren’t capable of reasoned thought if you were you like the many would realise what a mess the government have made with regards the handling of the pandemic. What do we have today, the application of a quarantine period when the majority of the world did the same several months ago. The reason we don’t want to increase the r rate despite the fact that other than the USA and Brazil we have the highest numbers. What happened to France last week Johnson stated you could enter through this country a week later it is changed without any explanation. I wonder if he lied to them as well.
I wonder if the ban will include those entering by private jets and why the 08th June and not now. You may not like the chief executive of Ryanair but how do they get from the airport to their place of isolation, social distance walking because surely travel on any other form would increase the chance of passing on an infection.

Keep going, the vitriolic hole you are digging with the bones of the dead tells us all about how happy you are that the pandemic is happening on a Conservative shift, if only Corbyn had won, he'd have made sure the IRA, Hezbullah etc.fought it off....?

Any comment about Coogan furloughing his household help.....?

What about Cummings going on a little jaunt after supposedly self isolating. I doubt Corbyn would have gone around shaking people’s hand and boasting about it when he knew the virus was about.
I am afraid you are becoming a little bitter because all you have is the reference to the IRA which is now old news, try to explain the government’s actions rather than making the usual it would be worse under Labour. We have the third largest number of dead only being behind the other two stable leaders of the USA and Brazil, why is that ?.

No comment about the darling Coogan, or anything other than hindsight and idealogical bull54in3?

Always the same, I have not said it would be worse under a defunct proven failed ideaology, you haven't said how it would be better... but keep digging that hole, maybe you can line it with sack cloth and ashes and a few stars of david. The government are doing the very best they can, all you can do is snipe and say it's all bad, thank fook you are fewer and fewer in number as people see that the MAJORITY of people are pulling together and doing their VERY BEST. as well.

travel quarantine "several months ago"

If this is the best they can do I'd hate to see them dicking about.

The Coogan story was just a dead cat in case Johnson was to face a criminal investigation over his dodgy dealings with his Yankee tech tart. It was just to get the little Englanders all wound up. Worked on you, didn't it? Funny how the Sun went all in on him. Didn't Coogan give evidence against them in the phone hacking scandal? They'll never let him rest now.

Personally, I can't see why Coogan would need to furlough a gardener. It must be one of the easiest social distancing jobs going. He's taking the Mick if he has, but in the grand scheme of things it's hardly front page news. But I'm sure you know that.

Quote ="IR80"icon_iamwithstupid.gif travel quarantine "several months ago"'" Here's a list of current quarantine rules from other countries. I've even got it from the Torygraph, just for you. I know you wouldn't believe it from any leftie, commie propaganda rag. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... countries/

Quote ="IR80"icon_iamwithstupid.gif travel quarantine "several months ago"'" Here's a list of current quarantine rules from other countries. I've even got it from the Torygraph, just for you. I know you wouldn't believe it from any leftie, commie propaganda rag. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... countries/

You are correct it is the best they can do unfortunately this has resulted in the deaths of over 40,000 people, confusion with messaging, secrecy, trying to cover up the protection of the NHS by transferring patients to the care sector even with the virus basically being slow in everything they have done resulting in the numbers above being at the level they are.
To make it worse we had a Conservative minister visiting his second or third home, the main scientist involved with the lockdown rules inviting his lady friend over and now Dominic Cummings. I look forward to the excuse they come up with on this one. We are doing our bit for now but the latest news on Cummings and the stupidity of the new quarantine rules will probably push many to say why should I do it.

Quote ="King Street Cat"Here's a list of current quarantine rules from other countries. I've even got it from the Torygraph, just for you. I know you wouldn't believe it from any leftie, commie propaganda rag. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... countries/'" I dont read the Telegraph, but I am pretty certain that not ONE SINGLE COUNTRY had travel restrictions around Civid "several months" ago , earliest was probably Aus or NZ, but whatever keeps that idiot mind of yours ticking, enjoy.

Quote ="King Street Cat"Here's a list of current quarantine rules from other countries. I've even got it from the Torygraph, just for you. I know you wouldn't believe it from any leftie, commie propaganda rag. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/0 ... countries/'" I dont read the Telegraph, but I am pretty certain that not ONE SINGLE COUNTRY had travel restrictions around Civid "several months" ago , earliest was probably Aus or NZ, but whatever keeps that idiot mind of yours ticking, enjoy.

Looking at your grammar and spelling, I’d be highly surprised if you read anything.