What are MS points?

Microsoft points are like a currency for buying online content. You pay for your live subscription and a lot of it is free, but if you want to for instance download an arcade game or watch a movie on zune or something you need to pay for it with ms points. it costs about 7 quid for 800 points for instance.



preowned in the likes of cash convertors for an older style console with 120gb hard drive they are about £100 quid without any games. Can get a bundle on ebay for around 80ish. CEX are asking for 130 quid for a used elite with hard drive so don't go near them, I'd say the bundle deals that saddened has pointed out for a brand new console with all the games etc are pretty good value.

You can have the back 2 buttons assigned to whatever you want so you could have them set to say through ball and shoot for FIFA and the LT/RT can be customised so they have more/less travel time. The feel of them is just better too, the material they cover them in makes them more comfortable to hold.

Have you got one? If so, how long have you had it and what does the build quality seem like? And what are the buttons like? Are they responsive clicky buttons or the same as the original MS controllers?

Not got one but I've used one a few times for COD, it works well for that. The build quality seems top notch and the covering they put on them makes the far more comfortable to hold (as they should be for the price!) there's some good reviews of them online which will probably give you a better grasp of what they're like, but from experience I prefer them to the normal 360 controllers and will be looking to get a PS3 one.



The paddles are quite tactile on the back as for the normal buttons, can't say I've noticed too much because I've never had a problem with the normal buttons before so sorry I can't give you a better answer there, although to save some money you can send in a controller you currently have and they will turn it into a scuf for you which is pretty good but probably wouldn't be too much help to you because of the buttons.

First review I've found so far: www.gamearena.com.au/xbox360/gam ... gue-live-2

First review I've found so far: www.gamearena.com.au/xbox360/gam ... gue-live-2

Quote wigan2win="wigan2win"First review I've found so far: www.gamearena.com.au/xbox360/gam ... gue-live-2'" Pretty much as expected then. A massive improvement over the previous game but not in the same league as the big budget sports titles. If it were any other sport than Rugby League we'd all ignore it and it would be consigned to the bargain bin as 'rubbish'. Because it's league we'll all want to enjoy it but ultimately end up slagging it off after a period of time.

Quote wigan2win="wigan2win"First review I've found so far: www.gamearena.com.au/xbox360/gam ... gue-live-2'" Pretty much as expected then. A massive improvement over the previous game but not in the same league as the big budget sports titles. If it were any other sport than Rugby League we'd all ignore it and it would be consigned to the bargain bin as 'rubbish'. Because it's league we'll all want to enjoy it but ultimately end up slagging it off after a period of time.

So far from what I've read on this I'd agree forums.sidhe.co.nz/showthread.ph ... s-so-far...

So far from what I've read on this I'd agree forums.sidhe.co.nz/showthread.ph ... s-so-far...

It's a massive improvement on the last effort but still got a few things that annoy the hell out of me.



The control system has changed a lot. You can play flat or deep passes. Which is pretty good as you can get people running onto the ball at speed and busting tackles. but you run the risk of giving away an interception. it happens a lot and once they intercept you've no chance of catching them, no matter where you are on the field.



Graphically it's a lot smoother. Player likenesses on some players are decent. But there are plenty who just look very generic. The stadiums are pretty good and well detailed.



Kicking again has changed, instead of just pressing b to punt, you now have to press and hold RT to activate a kicking guide and then A for a punt and B for a bomb. if you want to do a grubber or drop goal its A or B without RT respectively. Grubbers are useless though, and again nearly always get picked up by the defence who just go the length of the field and score.





Commentary isn't great. It's basically the same Vossy sound bites from the previous games mixed in with the odd new bit and the odd comment from some other guy. As usual it is very very repetitive and every game starts up with the same boring monologue of how it's going to be a tough encounter.





I'm undecided as whether i'd say it's as good as "Rugby Challenge" or not. True blu have clearly nicked bits from that game and put it on here like the goal kicking and stuff. Infact the automatic spot for taking each kick out wide is near 40 metre's out, although like in rugby challenge you can move the ball closer or further away from the line.



It's growing on me the more I play it and get used to the controls, And they have clearly fixed a lot of things from the last one. But it's not without it's flaws. The passing is a lot smoother and it's nice being able to make a break and pass to a running player nearby rather than someone 20 metre's back who is stood still. and there is a much bigger variety in the runs players make off the ball which does make it more realistic.

Managed to get this plus an extra wireless controller for £215. Seemed a good deal.

Robbo do you live in Aus or have you imported it?



I think I might pick this up after reading those forum comments. It sounds flawed, but for the most part those guys are enjoying playing it.

Imported.



Now I'm getting more used to it, it's getting more enjoyable. You just have to learn to not throw the ball about too much and try and play tactically. I.e keeping hold of the ball and not forcing offloads or giving away possession easily.



The interceptions ruin it a lot. but if it wasn't for those this would be a brilliant game. when I say brilliant, i mean in comparison to previous RL games, Don't buy this and expect something with the depth and quality of something like fifa.