You seem pretty hot at surmising other peoples thought process.
Are you a psychoanalyst by any chance?

Is anyone checking the bedpans on the way in?

Thank you.



No.

But I can tell that you want to cry because I've made you feel like the fool you fear you are.

I don't know whether it would be better for you to continue with your tantrum or just let the tears flow. It's a difficult one and you're really not worth thinking about too much.

That'll be a first won't it?

See, me personally, I just fooking love it when the likes of you, and that other thicko, Ajw, have to make themselves feel better by declaring they've made somebody else look foolish.

You really haven't petal, but I'm prepared to let you get on with it if it helps with your own insecurities, bless.

I haven't made you look foolish. You have.

IMO an independent witness to our discussions would definitely say that I've been right in our "discussions" and you are just a stupid tit. (They probably think I'm a t**t though. I can deal with that. I would prefer to be a t**t that is actually right than a fool like you and be perceived as "nicer"icon_wink.gif

But I admit I'm biased. I could be just as stupid as you and I could be deluding myself in a similar way that I think you delude yourself. I honestly have had this thought and the nature of self-perception and self-protecting biases do worry me.

The nature of these forums don't help. People don't get involved and say who they think is in the right and who is wrong.

If somebody thinks I'm wrong I welcome their input. I prefer it to be reasoned and factual though, rather than "this is my opinion and I don't have to justify it."

I'd love to know where you appear to think you've made me look foolish, but as you yourself have stated, you [iare,[/i quite possibly, deluded.
Don't bother.

Given your track record on this and various other threads, you seem to be the Sin Bin's very own David Icke.

You have a message(s) and keep banging it(them) out, however much they are repeated doesn't make them any more correct than when you first uttered them

At least he's not paranoid.

I think he is an excellent poster and talks a lot of sense.

His "Bull Bomb" post was pretty spot on.

I offer my opinions. I offer the reasoning of my opinions. If my opinions and reasoning are wrong then it should be easy for other people to quote me and show that I'm wrong.

That, IMO, is not what people do.

Take the Zimmerman trial on the TV thread. It is a subject that disturbs me because of many issues.

Mintball's opinion is that it's an injustice caused by massive US racism. That's Mintball's opinion, and by word she's going to keep that opinion. Doesn't offer any reasons behind that opinion, but hey, it's her opinion and she has a right to it.

I wrote at length about why the details of the case in no way supported what she said.

Mintball disappeared.

That's pretty much how the Sin Bin works.

I'm not surprised about how your characterise me. I've disagreed with you. I have said offensive things to you just as I've said offensive things to many people that employ the "it's my opinion and I don't have to defend it" stance. (I'm not saying you have done that. I don't remember the details of our previous discussions.)

I think calling me Sin Bin's David Icke is massively wrong. But Icke thinks the criticism of him is often wrong too, and he's obviously a nutter. I might be suffering from a similar delusion. But on reading back many of the arguments I've had I don't think so.

I do think that perhaps my participation in forums is pointless. I do enjoy deep debate but it seems my my method of pointing out where I think people are wrong and why is not really wanted.

Cod'ead called me The Sin Bin's David Icke. That's a pretty harsh criticism. I can take it. I think it's wrong.

I know he is among many people who I have taken the gloves off before during a debate. I hold my hands up that I have over-stepped the line and hit with a low blow. I don't think he's going to forgive me for that. Nor forget.

He might be right about me being SB's Icke. But he could just be biased against me because he holds a grudge. I'm not in a position to judge.

Do you dare to ask him his unvarnished opinions of you? Will you cry if he tells you just how stupid he thinks you are?

No, I'd probably laugh if he thinks I'm stupid.
See, I'm a bit older, and wiser, and less paranoid than you.
I don't really give two fooks what people think about me. you may get there one day.

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Stop whining and man up you wet t0sser!

I just think you're a barmpot and I honestly can't recollect you giving me anything approaching a bloody nose.

Now, how's about debating the topics in question?

I can count at least three threads you've managed to derail, for what reason? Only you can fathom that one sunshine

His opinion of me, that I'm The Sin Bin's David Icke, doesn't bother me. Because I believe it to be wrong.

If his opinion of me is right, and I'm a loon with retarded opinions, that will massively affect my own opinion of myself. It would suck to go through that, but I'd do it. I'd prefer to know that I'm wrong and held retarded opinions than going through my life thinking I was right when I wasn't.

Now, if you're a troll playing the part of moron. Obviously calling you stupid won't help. You'll laugh because you've got a stupid bite. Whatever gets you through the day.

If you're just a self deluded stupid person then you'll just laugh at the silly man calling you stupid. You won't even let yourself think that you're stupid.

But what if his assessment of you being stupid is correct? What if you score 4/10 on an intelligence rating when you've always believed you're an 8 or 9? That won't bother you?

You seem slightly obsessed with yourself young man, and appear to be, becoming, rather tiresome.
You mentioned earlier that you thought you are perhaps slightly deluded, I'm beginning to think you aren't as stupid as I thought.
Get a decent night sleep, you'll be ok in the morning (or not).
Nite-nite.

*You're definitely a barmpot.

Has anybody ever lost a debate on a forum in their own mind?

The usual tactic when someone has been "owned" is to disappear. Have you ever read someone say, "You're right, you've changed my mind on that." on this or any forum?

I don't think I've EVER seen it. The closest I've even come to it was when Jerry Chicken said that I'd changed his mind over the Zimmerman trial. But Jerry wasn't part of that discussion, and nobody in the thread weighed in with anything. There was me saying one thing (at very long length), Mintball saying her thing. And then it died.

Derailing a thread. I didn't realise that the Sin Bin threads had to stay on their tracks. It's a general discussion forum. Discussions lead where they lead.

I've seen many people who have a massively higher opinion of themselves than everyone else has. I've seen people who act very wrong yet seem to think they were in the right.

Having seen that, I think it's a sensible question whether I am guilty of that too.

From your posts, I don't get the impression you have ever thought similar thoughts.



I think you took my comment that Mike Ashley didn't need, nor deserve your applause personally. I think we've been tussling since then because of that simple fact.

You won't admit that Ashley doesn't deserve applause on top of his payout. So it descends to this. It is very tiresome.

Just looked up and seen this isn't that thread. Without checking I think that if we both go back and see where we started talking in this thread, it will be because you had a dig.



You might not be as stupid as your posts appear. I think that's because you probably put such little effort into them. But when you do put so little effort into them, why bother in the first place?

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Hardly news but confirmation of what we already knew.

And if he is not advising the government (see last para), then what is he doing in his role as advisor and why won't Cameron answer straightforward questions as to his role as "advisor" ?

On this very thread, last Friday, I admitted I was wrong about Blood donations and Bain Capital, does that count?
One of the reasons for debate is to test one's argument and facts.

But you have seen it, I said so myself, you changed my mind on that thread and I've altered my opinions many times by reading threads or following links and reading alternative views - its called normal life.

I don't recognise the word "owned", I don't follow the logic of anyone who wishes to stomp their feet on an internet forum, or bully, or abuse, or just act the tw*t, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever particularly when most are hiding behind usernames (although I do know several users on here personally), several know me, if you want to know more follow the links in my signature there is even my address on one of those web sites (below) and guess what, despite the paranoia no-one has ever turned up on my doorstep and written in green crayon all over my front door "I owned you in a debate on the NHS" - internet forums are mere entertainment , can be informative, but mostly pass a few minutes of the day in a self indulgent way.

You're right. I didn't remember that. Given how recent it was I probably should have.

But it was a trivial point where the facts were easily proved. It was a fairly minor detail but your main argument still stood completely.

IMO you even admitting you'd got something wrong was rare on the internet. People generally don't do it, even on minor details that shouldn't be in dispute. I think a lot of people do that in real life too. As someone who is willing to admit when I've done something wrong it's one of the things that annoys me about many other people.

I have received a hospital appointment timed for 12pm.
I reckon they don't really mean midnight, so I'm going to turn up at noon.

Or are clinics 24 x 7 now?

I remarked upon it because it was remarkable to me. In all honesty, that's pretty much the only time I have ever had any feedback that I'd changed someone's mind in the 15 years I've been on the net. It's pretty much the first time I've ever even seen it on an internet forum. I don't think it happens very often. I think it happens as often as a "you've won a million" email is genuine.

In my opinion Mintball, the person who I was debating things with, never even acknowledged whether my points had any validity or not. She just did a Bill Clinton, "Well that depends on what the defintion of 'is' is." and bailed.



You might refuse to recognise the term "owned" but you know exactly what the meaning behind it is (and for some reason I don't know, the kids actually use the term "pwned"icon_wink.gif.

I don't want to "own" people. I generally just want to debate. If I see something I strongly agree or disagree with then I'll post. If I think someone's wrong then I'll give my opinion and give my reasoning for it. I do get the strong feeling that people do not like this style and it would probably be for the best for everyone if I wasn't here.

I don't want to bully or abuse people. I am definitely not a "troll". I'm not hiding behind a username. If I'm bullying or abusing people I think that's generally because they'll refuse to even admit there was even the slightest flaw to their completely wrong point and instead have a dig in some way. If someone has a personal dig in my ribs while evading plain facts then generally I'll punch them back on the nose. Hard.

I'll admit I'm not hard to wind up. If someone wants a scrap generally they'll get it. I think there have been at least a few times when I've gone too far even by my standards. On one occasion I ashamed myself with what I did.

12pm is noon.