Yeah because the left wing msm got it in for him because of there in Brussels pocket

That's about right.
True Blue, never done anything wrong, it's always someone else's fault


It's always the Unions, The EU, biased press etc, etc

The right wing, who have governed the country for the vast majority of time since WW2, who are backed to an embarrassing degree by the press and whose economic ideology - privatisation, underfunded public services, Brexit, low taxes on capital and high incomes - shape our day to day lives in this country.

In their minds they are the real underdogs, they're the ones who are constantly oppressed.

It's the most pathetic thing about Tories - they have absolute power, they've got everything they want but they still constantly want to portray themselves as the victims whilst blaming others for the failure of all that they have done.

I also laughed at her when she was selling cheese to Japan, where over 20% of their population is lactose intolerant.

Don't know why that would be funny. Population of Japan is over 125 million. So only a 100 million market to aim for.

It's not really a new 100 million market to aim at though is it?

The Japanese full (WTO) duty rate on imports of cheese made from cows milk is 25%. The result of Liz's trade deal means imports of cheese from cows milk into Japan of UK origin will attract a duty rate of 14.6%.

What duty rate do imports of cheese made from cows milk of EU origin attract in Japan? That's right exactly the same 14.6%. So it's not a brexit benefit at all. It's actually what we enjoyed when members of the EU and that was trumpeted as a highlight of the deal.

What the government announce before the deals have been signed and ratified by the WTO aren't always what we end up with but the claim this deal went "far beyond what the EU had achieved in negotiations" was just a straight up lie. The Japanese announced at exactly the same time that this deal just represented a continuation of the EU deal.

Still at the rate our economy is going we might be enjoying the 0% duty rate of a least developed country before too long.

It's funny when the few remaining believers in the cult of Brexit quote benefits of leaving which turn out to be the same as or worse what we had as members

Where in my post did I say it was a benefit of Brexit? That's right I didn' t.
My point was the poster was laughing because we were trying to sell cheese to Japan as if it was a stupid thing to do.
Typical europhile making stuff up to suit your tired repetitive agenda.

So we got the same deal as if we were in the EU without having to pay for the privilege?
Hmmmm

Where in my post did I mention you?
Typical Quitter making stuff up so that they can make themselves the victim.

No because our trade deal with Japan isn’t as comprehensive.

The GBP 1.5 billion/annum boost to GDP announced by the government was not on top of the GBP 2.1 billion/annum boost we got from the EU-Japan trade deal. Basically it’s cost us at least 0.6billion/annum based on the exaggerated forecasts from the government.

Those figures, of course, were based on expected growth at that time - we’re about to go into a recession. It’s skewed even more in their favour now as the EU economies continue to grow whilst we are contracting. But based on the figures we had before we entered recession, even with the cost of being an EU member, the return was greater.

Oh My God, there's someone who still thinks we paid in more than we got out.

It's amazing, and terrifying, how pervasive the lies of Johnson & Farage were and how toxic their legacy of misinformation is proving.

The EU is forecast, just as we are, to be in recession by the end of the year.

You know as well as I do mate, that won't mean anything on here for some of them

The EU is made up of 27 individual nation states so just saying "the EU" isn't very helpful (but it does help Quitters in their attempts to still pretend it is some sort of undefined blob).
But taking your assertion at face value how do the depth and causes of this recession compare to those in the UK?

OK. Without trawling through every country individually in the EU would it be OK with you if I used Germany as an example?
According to Bloomberg and many economists Germany is on the brink of recession due to high energy costs. HTH

OK, let's get to the bottom of it then...

High energy costs - affecting worldwide and countries particularly reliant on Russian gas. The latter they sort of brought on themselves but they couldn't really have forseen what was about to happen.

Now what is causing the recession in the UK, and why is it worse here than elsewhere?

Are they ?
Their forecast is still showing some growth for next year, although, it has been revised downwards.
However, they are still likely to be ahead of the UK and they do of course include one or two "basket cases" in there.

Mind you there are plenty of uncertainties right now and in the near future, we could all be equal once the Nuclear war begins.

Quote ="The Ghost of '99"OK, let's get to the bottom of it then... High energy costs - affecting worldwide and countries particularly reliant on Russian gas. The latter they sort of brought on themselves but they couldn't really have forseen what was about to happen. Now what is causing the recession in the UK, and why is it worse here than elsewhere?'" https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/econo ... gdp-growth Hardly the worst and better than France and Germany . Anyway we're not in recession yet. Are we not suffering from the global high energy costs or is that not an excuse for the UK?

Quote ="The Ghost of '99"OK, let's get to the bottom of it then... High energy costs - affecting worldwide and countries particularly reliant on Russian gas. The latter they sort of brought on themselves but they couldn't really have forseen what was about to happen. Now what is causing the recession in the UK, and why is it worse here than elsewhere?'" https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/econo ... gdp-growth Hardly the worst and better than France and Germany . Anyway we're not in recession yet. Are we not suffering from the global high energy costs or is that not an excuse for the UK?

God it's like pulling teeth.
And what else is dragging on the UK economy. Causing sluggish exports and huge amounts more red tape and costs?

Are you just going to keep on moving the goalposts and giving false suppositions until you get an answer you like?

Are you just going to keep on moving the goalposts and giving false suppositions until you get an answer you like?

Surely if Brexit's all it was cracked up to be we'd now be doing far better than all the EU countries?

Anyway, this leadership contest is rather dragging on and with every day it drags on more it looks more like the Conservative Party couldn't care less about the people in this country unless they're party members. Talk about playing into opposition hands.

While it's difficult to disagree with your second paragraph, how do you know for sure the EU countries are doing better than us?

It's the bare faced lying I can't stand. They don't even try to hide it anymore.

They tell us they can't do anything to help with the cost of living crisis because they're between PM's (when we know they are saving it to make the new one look good). Yet they can press ahead with comparatively pointless populist crap like making cyclists have number plates.

Then, because of the tribal nature of politics now you can't point out this garbage government's failures or you just get a load of unrelated rubbish about the equally garbage opposition. As if you're only allowed to criticise one or the other.

Let's face it whoever wins is going to be even worse than the useless get that's currently squatting in 10 downing street...


...cue comments about transgender or Jimmy Savile or some crap.