That is now but if we had got Corbyn in he would have caved - he has to they fund/own the party - no different to the Tories caving over their funders difference is with the Tories it is millions with Corbyn it would have been billions. He was talking about a £15/hour minimum wage!!

Objection, mi lord, pure conjecture



On a serious note, wouldn't it be great if the minimum wage was £15 per hour - of course, it's all relative to the cost of living.
Two bottle tops a week would be fine, if they afforded you a decent standard of living.

Going back to Corbyn's £15 /hour. If it was tory policy, it would be described as "aspirational" but, if Corbyn suggested it, it's "the loony left"
Perception is indeed a curious thing.

Well, the US has raised their's to $15, and the government recommends paying a living wage of £9.50 at the moment, which is of course optional, and will increase again I'm sure, so a £10ph+ minimum wage isn't out of the question even under this government.

Yes we'd need pay for it. That's how the public sector works. What's your point?
Well I suppose as big fans of deficit spending the Tories could just do a bit more of that. OR even fix up some corporation tax or inheritance tax loopholes.

That's actually an issue Labour need to think about going forward. The Torries are probably more to the left than they are currently on the economy!

Why do I keep thinking Selwyn Froggit when I see Johnson with his thumbs up and that look on his face.

£15/hour would be great as long as we all understand the consequences - inflation would be enormous as would unemployment. In Germany it €9.19 - less than us, France €9.67 almost the same. When you see these numbers you can see why £15 was indeed the loony left.

Can do very little in respect of CT as international companies have loopholes everywhere. IT is such a small number that it wouldn't even scratch the surface.

The only way this increase could be met is through direct personal taxation - any increase gives people less disposable income ie. the government decides how to spend a greater proportion of your income - as you know best you no doubt think this is a good idea (sic)

Not true, putting Corporation Tax back to where it should be (25%) would generate billions; most UK companies don't avoid paying their taxes.

I also think income tax on higher earners should be nudged back up as well, lower levels are fine as they are although after I'd be willing to let some of the upper banding degrade slightly.

IHT take is about £5bn a year and is ridiculously enforced with the rich paying almost nothing thanks to efficient use of the myriad loopholes. Start to close them up and keep it tightly enforced and we'll start to see some progress.

Are you saying that people at the bottom should only aspire to make £10 / hour ??

What happened to "levelling up" or have you forgotten that one already ?

They can level up. But not too much to get close to provincial plutocrats Like ZZB.

Ah, I get it now, just more hot air from Bojo
Levelling up, just as long as you dont catch up to me

ZZB always shows his true colours.

And you mate ,you're a captain of industry are you not ,mind you you with your ability to twist the facts I assume that means you're a self employed painter and decorator in reality, at least you pay your fair share of taxes

The issue isn't about how much people earn it is about the consumer wanting to pay the additional costs of these increases in labour costs. I suppose the view of Ghost and Wren is that the big bad capitalist should simply absorb them - decimate their profitability and lower the salaries of the bosses?

I guarantee that if either of them were impacted they would be up in arms - Ghost trots out the Socialist spew but does from his lofty seat the same will said of Wrencat - hypocrites both

Yes but you are quite happy for the troubles in NI to return which you will realise will mean the reintroduction of the Army and an increased threat to the U.K. and what for to show the EU that we don’t keep to our signed agreements. I wonder what Biden and the USA will think to the line of action when Johnson tries to seek a trade deal.
The problem we face is that Johnson is so desperate for the U.K. to be seen as a global player once again striking out signing anything however negatively it impacts on the U.K. population just so he can board one of his two painted planes and have a photo opportunity to give his famous Selwin Froggett thumbs up “magic”.

Another insightful contribution, thanks.

No, like my company has done it will absorb some of the NLW increases through efficiencies or other cost savings and will pass some on to the customers. That's how the world works.

I have absolutely no doubt that you were passionately against the introduction of the minimum wage pre-1997, and were trotting out the same doom-laden things about how it would decimate poor corporates back then too. Instead we went on to enjoy an unprecedented era of growth and prosperity.

Once again you are talking out of your booty, just like your "trusted" leader, Bojo.
Do you not think that tax increases would impact me, just as much as the next person.

Nobody "likes" paying tax, nobody.
However, you have to take issue with politicians who talk about "levelling up" and do the exact opposite.

I notice that record numbers are now eligible for free school meals though but, I'm not sure that this is in line with his manifesto.

Johnson simply implemented what the population voted for - was it a good deal - could it ever have been as a good a deal as we had - no of course not. Should the whole deal be put at risk because two groups of gangsters are having a turf war - not a chance. More people are killed in gang wars in London than were ever killed in the Irish conflict - why it has such a high profile defies all logic. We see with Covid how detrimental one issue decision-making can be.

We all know Johnson isn't a person with any gravitas and his continued presence will have a negative impact on the UK in the eyes of serious political players. Unfortunately he is popular and without a credible opposition he is in a position of total dominance. There also seems to be a large chunk of the population that would like to see the pre-Covid status quo on freedoms never returning - some notable posters on here DG, 99 being amongst them. So even that wont unseat him. Perhaps when the furlough ends and the true extent of the mess we are in becomes apparent then we might see a change.

What has what I said mentioned tax increases - the point was about increasing minimum wage and how the cost is either absorbed or passed on - please keep up

My pleasure

CT represents about 7.5% of the whole tax take increasing by 5% is going to make a tiny impact. Taxing profits on international businesses needs international collaboration and serious transfer pricing rules.

The highest paid already contribute the vast majority of the IT take - but I agree it could increased.

IHT - so small <1% it isn't worth a discussion.

Jeez you really are a hard core Tory. Making up bare faced lies, pretending that people who have policy differences are in fact threats to our ways of life.

So we're "against freedom" now are we? It's not even worth asking about that since you just made it up.

Increasing the wages paid to certain sectors who have been fundamental to the country getting through the last 15 months is not a threat to our way of life. Sticking 2 or 3% to take corporation tax back up to where it was in the Major years or tinkering with income tax bandings is not a threat to our way of life. Suggesting we might like to fund our healthcare system to the same levels as other western countries - who have commensurately better health outcomes - is not a threat to our way of life.

What [iis [/idestabilsing to any civilised country is when one group of politicians and their supporters decide that what is politically advantageous for them is to smear people who suggest different policies to them. To pretend that the opposition aren't patriots, that they don't love our country or don't believe in the freedoms or ways of life that our country is built upon.
That's exactly what your recent post suggested and it's as loathsome when people it on here do it as it is when it's in The Sun or the Daily Mail.

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