Pathetic for me, but rules are rules.

Don't worry, he said it in the heat of the moment so let him off

There are many white Africans but if you called a black man a "stupid African ****" then that's hugely racist. I see this as the same.

Polynesia is an area that has a distinct culture, history, and shared physical characteristics. That makes it a race.

I think you raise some fair questions but I'd say it was most definitely racist and the proverbial book should have been hurled at him.

What a tangled web... Put forward a defence,yet the club fine the innocent chap. What an amazing verbal exchange....Well,do you believe it? https://mobile.twitter.com/M_Shaw1/stat ... 6058067971

What a tangled web... Put forward a defence,yet the club fine the innocent chap. What an amazing verbal exchange....Well,do you believe it? https://mobile.twitter.com/M_Shaw1/stat ... 6058067971

Quote ="Ornery Optimist"What a tangled web... Put forward a defence,yet the club fine the innocent chap. What an amazing verbal exchange....Well,do you believe it? https://mobile.twitter.com/M_Shaw1/stat ... 6058067971'" Bradford have Flanagan out for a similar length ban for attacking Bussey's knackers. There is little to no video evidence of it happening, Flanagan denies it, and Bussey was heard to say "I've got you now". So either Flanagan is a liar and frankly a house for attacking someone's balls, or Bussey is a liar and a house for maliciously getting a fellow player banned. The point I'm making is just how difficult it is to pass judgement in instances where the evidence is solely the testimony of two opposing blokes. Essentially with AS and Clubb we know that either someone is lying or someone misheard something. Can Clubb really recall the exact conversation in the detail he gave in that statement? If the statement is correct then is AS lying or just mistaken? Or is the statement completely false and is Clubb lying? In both instances, the attacking of the joyglobes and of racism, the act is repellent and doing nothing isn't an option, but its a tricky one to navigate.

Quote ="Ornery Optimist"What a tangled web... Put forward a defence,yet the club fine the innocent chap. What an amazing verbal exchange....Well,do you believe it? https://mobile.twitter.com/M_Shaw1/stat ... 6058067971'" Bradford have Flanagan out for a similar length ban for attacking Bussey's knackers. There is little to no video evidence of it happening, Flanagan denies it, and Bussey was heard to say "I've got you now". So either Flanagan is a liar and frankly a house for attacking someone's balls, or Bussey is a liar and a house for maliciously getting a fellow player banned. The point I'm making is just how difficult it is to pass judgement in instances where the evidence is solely the testimony of two opposing blokes. Essentially with AS and Clubb we know that either someone is lying or someone misheard something. Can Clubb really recall the exact conversation in the detail he gave in that statement? If the statement is correct then is AS lying or just mistaken? Or is the statement completely false and is Clubb lying? In both instances, the attacking of the joyglobes and of racism, the act is repellent and doing nothing isn't an option, but its a tricky one to navigate.

Surely there must have been witnesses to what was said? Did any other player offer any evidence?

Quote ="Ornery Optimist"What a tangled web... Put forward a defence,yet the club fine the innocent chap. What an amazing verbal exchange....Well,do you believe it? https://mobile.twitter.com/M_Shaw1/stat ... 6058067971'" I'm confused now. Clubb is guilty of racism for saying someone "ISN'T POLYNESIAN, BUT IS FROM WARRINGTON"? I'm also concerned how many times the word c;;t appears in that exchange. It's the gutter of language and whilst it's a "mans game", that sort of language has no place in modern society. Polynesian, Northern or cockney, their mums should wash both their mouths out with soap

Quote ="Ornery Optimist"What a tangled web... Put forward a defence,yet the club fine the innocent chap. What an amazing verbal exchange....Well,do you believe it? https://mobile.twitter.com/M_Shaw1/stat ... 6058067971'" I'm confused now. Clubb is guilty of racism for saying someone "ISN'T POLYNESIAN, BUT IS FROM WARRINGTON"? I'm also concerned how many times the word c;;t appears in that exchange. It's the gutter of language and whilst it's a "mans game", that sort of language has no place in modern society. Polynesian, Northern or cockney, their mums should wash both their mouths out with soap

Quite a lengthy verbal exchange prior to the heat of the moment.

The full text of the decision seems to indicate that Clubb should not have brought the word "Polynesian" into it, the swear word not being relevant to the charge.

I may have been called a Yorkshire **** many times, but I could not for the life of me take being called a Yorkshireman as racism. Nor even a "caucasian" ****

I think that the RFL did not want to be seen to be letting Clubb off in any way, and maybe that is fair enough - but the size of the ban is to me ridiculous.

The context is that Clubb is saying that Savelio isn't Polynesian, noting that Savelio was born in NZ with a Samoan father, albeit moved to Warrington in his early years.

So I'm guessing you'd be more upset if someone said your weren't English or you weren't a proper Yorkshireman, as that's what essentially Clubb has said, and therefore why it's taken within the remit of racist abuse.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.
why is having your feelings hurt, worse than having a brick smashed on your head.? I would sooner have a few insults thrown at me, i can laugh those off, but a brick would certainly hurt me more. The world has gone soft. The punishment has been given, time to move on.

Some might say you fail to recognise the fundamentals of discriminatory behaviours, but hey, they're only words, so there's no need for a response.

Exactly

Yet you cannot move on because you keep coming back to it.
You know nothing about Savellios background. Maybe he was bullied and taunted for not being British or white enough when he was living in Warrington. Maybe he experienced that drip drip of racism every day. Maybe that is why words can be so damaging. How often did you get called whitey or white when you were growing up. Maybe that is why the idea of a few verbals mans little to you. Regardless of wether you like it racist attitudes are now less acceptable.

So go back to playing war games and pretending you are Monty. Oh and by the way stop buying into the Dunkirk was a victory it was a massive defeat.

Yes it was, but those who came through it, such as my dad, didn’t just sit there and cry about it, they recovered and were more determined than ever to put things right. That’s one of the reasons today, you can post on forums such as this. I don’t have to play war games, better men than I do that for me, you, and all the Woke leftists who cry if anyone says boo. You and everyone else should be grateful for those who went through the horror of Dunkirk, and the war.

So I guess your dad was one of those who voted Labour after the war for social change such as the NHS.

Funny how you think leftists cry if anyone says boo. Yet it was all those leftists fighting against Franco in Spain and the blackshirts on cable street whilst those you support now were busy supporting the fascists

Thread derailed.
I was threatened with a holiday for that.
Double standards mate.

Good point well made,
I apologise for that although not for challenging those apologists who are defending clubb

“woke" is defined as: "Originally: well-informed, up-to-date.”

Does that mean the right aren’t well informed?

I'm well informed.
It is best not to have a conscious bias or an unconscious bias.
Be a non-binary non-gender specific specimen who is able to be transracial.
Do not speak,even to friends or relations in case another person is offended.
If anyone is really naughty they don't get punished,anyway,because the bleeding hearts don't like the bad people being punished.
If I'm not well - informed it's because I wasn't taught correctly be the ever-changing guidelines made up by people being paid a fortune for continually changing the guidelines.
These are the over-privileged people who have attended universities and can't get proper jobs but just alter semantics to suit their prejudices,biased agenda.
We should all take lessons from the USA the experts on race relations.( I may not be serious here and I am in no way associated with Warrington )
Staying on thread - Maybe Clubb ain't completely in the wrong.
I am now off to study whether Polynesians are more of a persecuted minority than the white folk living in England.
I may be gone for some time.If a university or made up organisation with political motives,or one of those in the USA where one of the females acquires lots of mansions,I am available to take payment...

My sentiments exactly, well put

I would also agree and well said sir

Least we now know whose stuck in the 1950’s

Dont talk stupid,we have a different opinion that is all.Might not suit yours then tough you will have to live with it as other people live with yours.

Quote ="Willzay"Least we now know whose stuck in the 1950’s'" If you are referring to me,I'm sitting back while statues are being brought down because of a situation long before the 1950's. I am learning that history is being re-written,and I am learning that some female,leading light of the BLM political activists lot,has now acquired a number of mansions,while many of her fellow USA citizens have the audacity to try and dictate to me how I should think and act. I don't need to be told. The slavery situation went on a long time prior to the 1950's. With the deliberately divisive conduct of the current spokespeople, racial respect is many decades away. So much for universities,and education,education,education,Mr Blair. https://mobile.twitter.com/tophertownmu ... 9974553607 Staying on thread - I am sick of so-called adult behaviour.The opportunity for a so-called re-set has been lost. It gets worse as it goes on. Sport supposed to take me away from the harsh realities of life. Having Americans, and academics, dictate from their ivory towers does my plucker in. I would be grateful if rugby league players could conduct themselves a lot better.

Quote ="Willzay"Least we now know whose stuck in the 1950’s'" If you are referring to me,I'm sitting back while statues are being brought down because of a situation long before the 1950's. I am learning that history is being re-written,and I am learning that some female,leading light of the BLM political activists lot,has now acquired a number of mansions,while many of her fellow USA citizens have the audacity to try and dictate to me how I should think and act. I don't need to be told. The slavery situation went on a long time prior to the 1950's. With the deliberately divisive conduct of the current spokespeople, racial respect is many decades away. So much for universities,and education,education,education,Mr Blair. https://mobile.twitter.com/tophertownmu ... 9974553607 Staying on thread - I am sick of so-called adult behaviour.The opportunity for a so-called re-set has been lost. It gets worse as it goes on. Sport supposed to take me away from the harsh realities of life. Having Americans, and academics, dictate from their ivory towers does my plucker in. I would be grateful if rugby league players could conduct themselves a lot better.