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| Quote ="Bullseye"That would help but even with the army helping out I can't see the beginning of any major improvement in the situation this side of April. Trusts up and down the country are advertising for vaccinators but there aren't the people with the requisite expertise available. The few that have had the Pfizer vacc have only had small amounts. The admin of getting people vaccinated is incredibly laborious too. It's not just a case of jabbing someone in the arm as I'm sure you know. It can take you a couple of hours to do a dozen or so people.
I think the government need to manage expectations better - the PM has over promised since this began and by the summer people will be desperate not to go through all this again.'"
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Given there's only 85 people in England and Wales that actually have had an alleged covid infection in week 52, 50 in week 51, (I'm currently checking the governments notifiable diseases documents) why do we need any insanely expensive and invasive drug and all the rest of the BS when it's clear people for the most part are not dying from covid 19 and that the governments numbers are a criminal lie of epic proportions.
And most of the small number of deaths are from their underlying health condition not a virus. Underlying health condition is the only lawful way to codify a death.
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"Given there's only 85 people in England and Wales that actually have had an alleged covid infection in week 52, 50 in week 51, (I'm currently checking the governments notifiable diseases documents) why do we need any insanely expensive and invasive drug and all the rest of the BS when it's clear people for the most part are not dying from covid 19 and that the governments numbers are a criminal lie of epic proportions.
And most of the small number of deaths are from their underlying health condition not a virus. Underlying health condition is the only lawful way to codify a death.'"
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And most of the small number of deaths are from their underlying health condition not a virus. Underlying health condition is the only lawful way to codify a death.'"
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-55350794'"
read and weep. here are actual infections, not cases, as per the .gov website.
I guess tin foil hat wearers like yourself just believe everything the criminal government tell you, I hope you get your poison sooner rather than later then you can just carry on with your pathetic head in the sand life!
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"read and weep. here are actual infections, not cases, as per the .gov website.
I guess tin foil hat wearers like yourself just believe everything the criminal government tell you, I hope you get your poison sooner rather than later then you can just carry on with your pathetic head in the sand life!
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I think you Will find that the information you have quoted details records right at the outbreak of Covid and since then reporting has been amended significantly as it spread and is now recorded differently.
See the link below for details
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I guess tin foil hat wearers like yourself just believe everything the criminal government tell you, I hope you get your poison sooner rather than later then you can just carry on with your pathetic head in the sand life!
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I think you Will find that the information you have quoted details records right at the outbreak of Covid and since then reporting has been amended significantly as it spread and is now recorded differently.
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Why do I think that Boris is once again winging it with the idea to leave a three month gap between each dose. The manufacturer’s indicated that two doses are required within three weeks.
I hope they know what they are doing because no other country believes this to be true and based on previous form I doubt Boris has a clue.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"I think you Will find that the information you have quoted details records right at the outbreak of Covid'"
Are you sure? The header states 'number of cases reported in week 52 of 2020' |
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| Quote ="MatthewTrin"Are you sure? The header states 'number of cases reported in week 52 of 2020''"
Seems to be an anomaly as this is when GPS were advised to report it at the beginning of the year. When it became clear it was a pandemic reporting went through PHE. Rather than through GPS saying someone may have this new virus |
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Quote ="Durham Giant"Seems to be an anomaly as this is when GPS were advised to report it at the beginning of the year. When it became clear it was a pandemic reporting went through PHE. Rather than through GPS saying someone may have this new virus'"
All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reported by ALL medical persons, a positive test is NOT an infection, it cannot be, it's a diagnostic tool. Thus causative agents that cause infection have to be reported, that means there is hardly any actual infections, fewer than 13,900 up until week 53 which includes part of January.. week 53 had only 37 true reports of cases with a causative agent that are described as SARS COV2 (which was 'isolated' described by using a computer algorithm so doesn't truly exist as a 'novel' virus as you're just filing in sequences into a batch of other RNA that we know exists in every human being on the planet.
The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf |
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Quote ="Durham Giant"Seems to be an anomaly as this is when GPS were advised to report it at the beginning of the year. When it became clear it was a pandemic reporting went through PHE. Rather than through GPS saying someone may have this new virus'"
All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reported by ALL medical persons, a positive test is NOT an infection, it cannot be, it's a diagnostic tool. Thus causative agents that cause infection have to be reported, that means there is hardly any actual infections, fewer than 13,900 up until week 53 which includes part of January.. week 53 had only 37 true reports of cases with a causative agent that are described as SARS COV2 (which was 'isolated' described by using a computer algorithm so doesn't truly exist as a 'novel' virus as you're just filing in sequences into a batch of other RNA that we know exists in every human being on the planet.
The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reported by ALL medical persons, a positive test is NOT an infection, it cannot be, it's a diagnostic tool. Thus causative agents that cause infection have to be reported, that means there is hardly any actual infections, fewer than 13,900 up until week 53 which includes part of January.. week 53 had only 37 true reports of cases with a causative agent that are described as SARS COV2 (which was 'isolated' described by using a computer algorithm so doesn't truly exist as a 'novel' virus as you're just filing in sequences into a batch of other RNA that we know exists in every human being on the planet.
The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
So, if it's all make believe, why are they doing it and what do you think they want as a result? |
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The numbers being used by the government and media are a lie, and always have been, they are not and cannot be infections or deaths of/From etc, they are cases which are meaningless crud, the R number and the deaths are being criminally based upon this BS to force through medical treatments, remove human rights, garner more control over the populace and much more disgusting actions that only benefit the elites and harm the plebs!
First week of December 2019 55.8% of the primary care influenza tests were infectious, had actual live infection, in secondary care it was just under 19%, this can be found on the ILI weekly report. 2019 was a very 'soft' flu season.
Live infection of the alleged novel virus are 0.55% of the positive cases, this aligns with the lab testing in France which found lower than 3% of live material at 35x amplification cycles of the 250,000+ tests they'd done, UK government does somewhere between 40-45 cycles hence the more you amplify the higher the false positives, so with that high number of of cycles the false positives of the 'cases' are nearer 100% of the cases. Which again is what will happen when the RNA you are looking for is there in all humans, at circa 60 cycles everyone on the planet would test positive.
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"So, if it's all make believe, why are they doing it and what do you think they want as a result?'"
Don't. I've never read such a pile of horse $h!t in my life. |
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reportede.
SNIP
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
THIS IS JUST COMPLETE PSEUDO SCIENCE DESIGNED TO CONFUSE , UNDERMINE AND SOW DOUBT. EG the section below
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science
This is just rubbish the vaccines designed are to stimulate the body to recognise Covid infection and help the body to fight it. It is exactly the same as vaccinating against measles or smallpox Tamiflu is pretty much a medicine like ibuprofen tamiflu is a neuraminidase inhibitor, a competitive inhibitor of influenza's neuraminidase enzyme. The enzyme cleaves the sialic acid which is found on glycoproteins on the surface of human cells that helps new virions to exit the cell. Thus tamiflu prevents new viral particles from being released.
There is no comparison at all between the vaccines and tamiflu. It is the equivalent of saying that giving paracetomol to cure a headache is the same as doing a lobotomy |
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Quote ="48756c6c20 524c4643"All what is being described as SARS COV2 has to be reportede.
SNIP
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science, you've actually a lower efficacy rate than the actual false positive rate of 'positives' and the medical treatment doesn't nor cannot stop infection/transmission nor indeed prevent death/hospitalisation, yet more lies.
here is the week 53 NOIDS report https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... 3-2020.pdf'"
THIS IS JUST COMPLETE PSEUDO SCIENCE DESIGNED TO CONFUSE , UNDERMINE AND SOW DOUBT. EG the section below
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science
This is just rubbish the vaccines designed are to stimulate the body to recognise Covid infection and help the body to fight it. It is exactly the same as vaccinating against measles or smallpox Tamiflu is pretty much a medicine like ibuprofen tamiflu is a neuraminidase inhibitor, a competitive inhibitor of influenza's neuraminidase enzyme. The enzyme cleaves the sialic acid which is found on glycoproteins on the surface of human cells that helps new virions to exit the cell. Thus tamiflu prevents new viral particles from being released.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"THIS IS JUST COMPLETE PSEUDO SCIENCE DESIGNED TO CONFUSE , UNDERMINE AND SOW DOUBT.
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It's not any form of science, much in the same way my scrotum is not any form of Charlize Theron. |
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"THIS IS JUST COMPLETE PSEUDO SCIENCE DESIGNED TO CONFUSE , UNDERMINE AND SOW DOUBT. EG the section below
That there is a 90-96% efficacy claim for the 'vaccine' - it cannot legally be called a vaccine as it simply isn't, it's basically a more insidious version of Tamiflu, is just dumb science
This is just rubbish the vaccines designed are to stimulate the body to recognise Covid infection and help the body to fight it. It is exactly the same as vaccinating against measles or smallpox Tamiflu is pretty much a medicine like ibuprofen tamiflu is a neuraminidase inhibitor, a competitive inhibitor of influenza's neuraminidase enzyme. The enzyme cleaves the sialic acid which is found on glycoproteins on the surface of human cells that helps new virions to exit the cell. Thus tamiflu prevents new viral particles from being released.
There is no comparison at all between the vaccines and tamiflu. It is the equivalent of saying that giving paracetomol to cure a headache is the same as doing a lobotomy'"
So you admit you don't even understand what a vaccine actually is  Pseudo science, except the lab that actually tested for live infection in 'cases' is one of the big testing labs in France. The medical treatment cannot have the efficacy they state, have you even read the documents that were released? Tested on fit and healthy 18-59 year olds only? You have of course read that the treatment is meant to reduce symptoms only, just like Tamiflu and that the peddlers have made no claims as to non transmission right?
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Pseudo science, except the lab that actually tested for live infection in 'cases' is one of the big testing labs in France. The medical treatment cannot have the efficacy they state, have you even read the documents that were released? Tested on fit and healthy 18-59 year olds only? You have of course read that the treatment is meant to reduce symptoms only, just like Tamiflu and that the peddlers have made no claims as to non transmission right?
So the UK gov documents declaring the supposed true infections is false then? The testing to find live infection is false, the fakse positives that Hancock and Johnson have already admitted to are false, the FP admitted by PHE are also incorrect?
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His definition of a vaccine is correct . Part of, or whole, inactivated pathogen is introduced to generate an response from B cells and in some cases T cells. That response will persist and allow anyone being infected with the actual pathogen to mount a faster and more robust immunological response and in many cases prevent an infection from even developing. The elegance of an RNA (or DNA) vaccine is that it replicates what a virus actually does, enter a cell and make the cell do the work and create the antigen. That antigen then stimulates the protective immune response. Just because you don't understand how an RNA (or DNA) vaccine works is not our problem. |
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RNA vaccines have been highly sought after for several years. They are cheaper to make, and can cause B and T cell responses. There is an increasing amount of work going on into the T-cell response, trying to understand if that has an effect on severity of symptoms. There have been issues with how to effectively "deliver" the RNA (or DNA) package but it's now been done and it works. |
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Had my first shot this morning so I'm feeling extremely grateful to all the people who have worked incredibly hard to make this happen. Thank you very much.
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Let us know if Bill Gates turns up on your doorstep please.
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| Quote ="Sandro II Terrorista"I probably won't be able to be to as according to that daft squirrel bloke above my DNA will have mutated me into a bicycle helmet.'"
Shouldn't squirrels be hibernating at this time of year ?
The covid denial thing is just bloody staggering.
A few months ago, people would say "I dont know anyone who's had it, do you".
Quite honestly, I'm getting to the point where I know more people that have had covid than those who have not.
Thankfully most have been ok, with just one of those people ending up in ICU (he's 5icon_cool.gif. Mind you, I dont know all that many in the 80+ group and I believe it is they who are at most risk. |
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And if George Soros is waiting for him in a parked up car. |
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Shouldn't squirrels be hibernating at this time of year ?
The covid denial thing is just bloody staggering.
A few months ago, people would say "I dont know anyone who's had it, do you".
Quite honestly, I'm getting to the point where I know more people that have had covid than those who have not.
Thankfully most have been ok, with just one of those people ending up in ICU (he's 5icon_cool.gif. Mind you, I dont know all that many in the 80+ group and I believe it is they who are at most risk.'"
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Sorry, poor wording on my part.
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Pseudo science, except the lab that actually tested for live infection in 'cases' is one of the big testing labs in France. The medical treatment cannot have the efficacy they state, have you even read the documents that were released? Tested on fit and healthy 18-59 year olds only? You have of course read that the treatment is meant to reduce symptoms only, just like Tamiflu and that the peddlers have made no claims as to non transmission right?
