What does it matter where it is. It's a failed ideology that UK don't want as Jezza found out.

Cheers lads that's very humbling. We are all in this together, I don't feel in anyway special just getting my head down and getting stuck in as there are many many people doing lots of different stuff to help this country through.

Bren & wrencat are just waiting for Steve Hedley's comment on Twitter to filter through.

Everything anyone needs to know about the lunatic left...

One up on me there, I've never heard of him but, you fill your boots

Don't know why you are using a submission emoticon, but hey ho, your komrades will no doubt elaborate for you.

I hope that you feel proud, Tory boy.
The government that you support and act as head cheerleader for, froze the wages of the NHS hero's for almost a decade but, have the bare faced hypocritical cheek to stand outside and applaud, every Thursday.
They should have been properly paid through the austerity period and properly equipped to do their fecking jobs and not fed lies about equipment, while still doing far more than they are being paid for.

People like myself (and Bren) were telling you this for soooooooooooo long and idiots like you accused of being "lefties" or "commies"etc.

Perhaps you will, at some point, begin to realise just which people are worth paying properly and investing in and protecting.

A big clue for you, it's not the likes of Mike Ashley or Richard Branson who are interested only in themselves

Envy poliitcs, people like you and bren have been spouting proven defunct idealoogy, and continue to do so. But it's OK, you keep calling me an idiot if it helps you while away those boring lonely days of a spiteful existence. I don't know what hand life dealt you, but it sure must have been a pretty naff one given your constant negativity.

stay safe

Not certain your father in-laws geographical ignorance has any bearing on the subject. Nobody would have taken any notice whatsoever about Venezuela it was the left wing brigade in England that was always trumpeting the success of the country.Venezuela was at onetime the most prosperous country in South America. Lauded by all the left wing chattering class in England as to the model that successfull socialism brings. Then the socialist policies slowly but surely brought the country to its knees. Once that situation arises the educated , upper and middle class flee the country, taking with them what little money they have left. The working or non working class are left to pick up the pieces. These are the one section of the community that socialism is supposed to support. You would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at the comments by ash sagar the champagne so called communist, along with Owen Jones. Apparently most of the country’s that have tried socialism and failed have been using the wrong sort of socialism. A gentle reminder to you that Corbyn and his momentum cronies ,put socialism as the main part of the labour manifesto at the recent general election . That didn’t go very well did it?

What's this obsession with 'envy' you have? You've got nothing to offer, so you just spout your envy nonsense in the hope it wins the argument. There's nothing envious about wanting properly funded, fully functional public services. Enjoy your masters' herd immunity and their lean NHS. And keep doffing your cap.

I was just using him as an example. I've been there when he's been talking about Corbyn and Venezuela, but he didn't even know where the country was.

It's like when you see @BigShagger69 tweeting about Venezuela, with his profile picture set of him vomitting in a Newcastle pub toilet, as if he's in the know about all things South American. They're just spouting whatever the tabloids have fed them.

Since you are revisiting history, you may care to comment on the nhs pfi debt, incurred by the Blair government. At one time roughly one sixth of the national nhs budget was going on repaying the debt .

You and I both know that some socialists are simply envious non achievers who blame anyone who has succeeded for their woes. The NHS is funded for [inormal function[/i, these are far from [inormal[/i times. I do not have a master, nor do I 'doff my cap', I want [ueffiicient, value for money[/u public services, but the present situation is hardly the time for pushing further reform. The WORLD is an unprecedented situation, people on all sides of the political fence or whatever shade of the spectrum are doing their best, a few individuals pretty much wishing a man dead because of his political leanings and upbringings is sad in the extreme.

NEWSFLAH - SOCIALISM DOES NOT, WILL NOT, and HAS NEVER worked. It is a lot like religion, laudable, worthy and utopian, bit no basis in fact.

What is going to help us out of this current pandemic? Hyper-capitalism?

Laugh all you want, I am glad you find it funny, says more about you than I ever could.

stay safe

Yes, a huge mistake (in hindsight), under Blair, plenty of schools and hospitals were built and what appeared to be a reasonable idea, to replace a large number of crumbling buildings, has cost way, way over the odds.
I dont recall the Tory opposition making too much fuss at the time though and there was absolutely no denying that "upgrades" were required.

Btw, does the mistake of the PFI deals make it right to freeze the wages of the doctors and nurses that we are all now so reliant on ??
You chose not to comment on this issue



When you look back, there were maybe only 2 or 3 posters on here suggesting that it was wrong to freeze their wages and I'm happy to say that I was one of them.
Most of the Tory apologists said how necessary Austerity was and yet now, with an even more severe crisis on our hands, money is no object.

I dont like Corbyn and never did but, some of the actions under austerity were just wrong, just as pushing vulnerable people towards the bright lights but, we'll leave that discussion for another time.

Blair was a Tory, and ran with pro capitalist policies

Once again we see that capitalism can only operate within a Socialist framework......end of.



Once again capitalism has failed, and the queues for state handouts is ever increasing lol

Talk about big government lol

Epic capitalism fail

Increased taxation from the private sector - simple as.

It’s sad Pat that people who despised the NHS all these years are now trying to set some false narrative that you’ve all along been hero’s, truth is they didn’t give a toss.

They knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing



My family and many friends are all NHS associated andvare sickened by the faux ness of it all.

How long do you think before they forget you again?

You are deluded - the Socialist framework only works due to the tax revenues generated by the private sector. If the government had any balls we would not be in lockdown and we would accept that the deaths are acceptable collateral for the preserving the economy. Sadly preserving lives of a few thousand is a sacrifice worth paying for the destruction of the incomes of millions. Capitalism is failing because the government/public sector has dictated such

Spoken like a true capitalist whacko.

I presume you're aware that Socialism created the N.H.S?

It's ironic that the organisation the Tories have decimated over many years is saving the life of the Tory Poster Boy.

Yes, I am fully aware of the origins of the NHS, and I see no decimation. What a sad pathetic bunch the lefties on here are, a good job the vast, sensible, majority on all sides want us to get through this and leave the politics and personalities aside.

How about the sad pathetic right wingers? Are there any of those on here?

The fact that MP’s are getting a further 10k for doing naff all and hospitals are struggling to provide doctors and nurses with PPE sums up what’s wrong with this country.