While my wife was there it was over a Christmas period and at least one old dear booked herself in for the Christmas period. Happened every year apparently. So yes, the hotel description fits.

So what would happen if say, in the next 12 months, you develop a condition (or have an accident) that prevents you working ever again? How will you then fund your day to day subsistence, let alone any treatment you may need?

My insurance will cover it and if not i will become dependent on my family like most people around the world who don't have an NHS or benefits to support them. Also i said in a previous post that you should pay some contribution just in case you ever do become dependent for treatment.

And if you didn't have family - like lots of disabled adults who have never been able to work and whose parents have died?

and then they are the people who truly need help. I never said don't pay taxes at all and let every body fend for them selves.

However, you have said that you want a reward for having a job that pays a lot more than most people.

A reward, that is, beyond having a job that pays a lot more than most people are able to earn.

What the NHS does very well is priorities cases so if you are referred to a surgery for ingrowing toe nails then to be honest if its a minor case then your local GP will do them (ours did one for my daughter), if its more complicated then presumably you'll be referred but even then you won't be rushed into hospital on a blue light and seen to that very day - which you might possibly be able to arrange with a private health provider.

Are you sure he couldn't work with ingrowing toenails, was he bed-bound for all this time - I'm starting to sound like Ian Duncan Smith now.

Anyway, the extra two months tagged on at the end for MRSA are understandable and would happen whether or not he went private so he didn't really "nearly lose his big toes because of the NHS" did he - what happened was that toe nail surgery is a low priority and then he was delayed further because they didn't want him closing a whole ward with his MRSA - not really a case study for persuading me to take up the £99 a month offer from Aviva for private medical insurance.

he couldn't put pressure on the toes or they would ooz green puss and black blood he wasn't bed bound but could hardly work a factory. they was extremely infected due to the amount of time he had to wait. He was on a morphine drip when they admitted him they was very close to being amputated. And it was because of the NHS if he had private health care he would of been seen and dealt with very quickly like i was with my last problem. He didn't pay for being admitted to a private hospital either. He contracted MRSA whilst having check ups in wigan general.

Less than a 1000 pound is a bargain to make sure you can be seen straight away for no matter how major or minor surgery.

Did I? i am sure i said reward people for not relying on government completely.

Yes.

So you want to be rewarded for having a job that pays you a great deal more than the average wage in the UK.

What i earn isn't exactly a great amount. But it would be nice for people who generally work their off not to be punished for earning more than others.

God i love Dubai.

What you earn is, on the basis of what you have suggested here, considerably more than the average UK income of £26,000 per annum.

You are suggesting, by implication, that anyone who doesn't earn that is not – in general – working as hard as you. So for instance, the hospital cleaner and the bin man are, after all, just lazy berks compared to you. Obviously.

You're falling for a classic idea that pay is based on how hard one works. It's not.

Paying for the education of others, via tax, is not being "punished".

And in terms of Dubai, thank goodness that you live in and benefit from a place where nobody (except the terminally lazy, obviously) lives in grinding poverty and something near to servitude, eh?

Incidentally, I note that you have not responded to Cod'ead's comment: were you personally educated in a private school?

I earn just over 30,000 obviously that is tax free but living costs are considerably higher here. Where i have gave off the opinion i earn more than that i have no idea.

and no you are coming to your own conclusions mate. People who work but only earn minimum wage have my full respect because there is ways of earning that money with out working. How is me saying people who don't depend on the government deserve some kind of reward saying that minimum wage earns aren't hard workers? Unless you just implying you only earn money if you work hard.

Of course it is, how is it not? the money you earn providing for others? how is taking a considerable amount of money from somebody not punishing them? Majority of the time high tax rates effect middle class people who aren't rich but earn enough to feel comfortable but they still have mortgages and can't pay for the children to have a better education.

maybe you should research on how the government works or even spend some time here to realize 8 out of 10 people here are generally better of than they would be in there home country. There is some local arabs who are not rich and get the benefits from the government such as food and help with there bills, but other nationalities don't get give a passport and in turn don't get a free ride. you either contribute here or you're gone.

I went through private schooling up until the age of 13 and then i went to a public high school but whilst i was at high school my dad was paying in excess of 60,000 pounds in tax so i think he would cover the minimal cost it cost to send me to public school. But i have poor grammar as i have dyslexia not that any of this had anything to do with you.

Anyway lads when is the next protest in favor for Labour happening?

Go easy Minty.
I'm starting to feel sorry for him.
It's not a fair contest.

how so? He has his opinions i have mine. He is trying to say my opinions are wrong i don't believe they are.

He is a she actually.
Well good luck with that, I suppose ignorance is bliss.

he or she.

I have seen both systems and i know which one works, can you say the same?

I'm not concerned about what you earn.

You're the one who claims to be the high earner who deserves a reward.

Incidentally, who pays for all the roads and lights and all manner of other things that, presumably, Dubai actually has?





If you didn't mean this, then perhaps you should have worded it more carefully.

Because what you have written suggests pretty clearly that people who do not (in general) work as hard as you do, to earn what you do, do not deserve the sort of extra reward that you do for, presumably, working your "booty off".

In other words, that they do not work as hard as you.



It's called being a member of society.

Perhaps you should consider it sometime.



Most people have mortgages these days or pay substantial rents in the private sector, because there's F' all council housing left. That's why the housing benefit bill is so high. That's part of the reason that so many people in the UK need benefits even when they are in work.

And the relationship between these things (the rate of pay, the cost of living etc) is why we have massively growing food banks, the Red Cross handing out food parcels and Save the Children spending money in this country rather than merely collecting it.

And the idea should be that everyone gets an education of equal standard. That would be best for the whole of society – not just for the fortunate few.



Indeed. Then I'd know about the Filipinas working for Emirati families as live-in servants for less than US$400 a month, with one rest day a month; or the millions living in work camps and taken by bus into the cities every day in coaches with bars at the windows, wouldn't I?

And that's without mention [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubaihuman rights[/url.

Still, just as long as you don't have to be punished by paying taxes that contribute toward someone else's education, eh?



So your father paid for all your schooling, health care etc, plus that of any of your siblings, plus any health care for your mother such as maternity care, for instance (or did she work herself?) out of his taxes? And his father before him did the same for him? Etc etc.

But that's only part of the point: the other part is about everybody contributing to the greater good of society/the nation.

Now, this is obviously a somewhat philosophical subject, but why do you believe that yo0u should be exempt from at least part of that?



And the point of this is?

I'm not in this debate.

So you're the result of a system that doesn't work?

Everything is so much clearer.

ow resulting to personal insults touched a nerve have i? Seriously get off your soap box and get over your self. You have you opinion i have mine, i wasn't the one who came on here question your opinions on a broken system.

You're the one who stated that you've seen two systems – so presumably including the one in the UK, where you were born and grew up – and you're suggesting that the one that works is not this one. Since that is the system that produced you, you're damned by your own logic.



In the interests of nostalgia, let's look back:





So quit with the pretence that you didn't come here to 'question the system'.

If you feel threatened by anyone daring to question your opinions – on a discussion forum – you might find [url=http://www.classickidstv.co.uk/wiki/ClassicKidsTv_Homesafer[/url.

I never once mentioned how much i earn. This is my opinions on taxation nothing to do with my circumstances.

The government and before you mention it Dubai has no oil. Company play a lot of money to be here and every process through the government charges you.

I never said it in other words, you did! Because you earn more money doesn't mean you should be punished for it.

Dubai is one of the most multi cultural place in the world i would say a greater society exist here than in the UK.

I have never said i have a problem with people who work but get topped up with benefits and if i have where have i said so? what i do have a problem with is benefit cheats, scroungers and teenagers who have children to pay there way in life.

if the taxation wasn't so high would people still need mortgages? obviously i know other factors come into. i would argue the benefit system has crippled council housing as well.

Ok for example everybody in the uk had the same standard schooling as at eton would everybody come out and get the top paying jobs around the world? No because not everybody appreciates it and then there are the ones who would prefer to learn a trade to earn money. Equality is an impossibility why would some one who has struggled to pay them selves through uni and then got them selves to a decent position in life, then turn around and say yeah ok i will only take the minimum wage out of my salary and give the rest to the government to help others? which the majority of the time it gets abused anyway because of the system thats in place? Or are we really saying the people who truly need it are the only ones who take from the benefit and housing systems?

First off i will say my fiancé is from the philippines, have you ever been? my best guess would be no. i have said this perviously on this website before, i don't agree with the human rights here or how some selected companies treat employes here but what i will say is those people would be back home in the 3rd world country with no home, food, health care, employment, ways to provide for there family or even an education/skills. I have a maid in my house and she works 5 days a week, has an out house, gets provided with food and she is very happy person and she would be terribly upset if i said you're sacked because people in the uk don't agree with it. Same goes with the work men, have you ever been to a recruitment drive in India? people queuing for 2 days and traveling for up to a week to get to them. but hey as long as the middle class keep paying taxes huh. What i will say is Dubai is making a massive effort to improve the living standards for unskilled workers. In general people seem to be happy here and if not they are always allowed to leave its not there own country after all.

Also don't exaggerate or do you truly believe those news paper headlines, Millions there isn't enough people in Dubai to be millions of workers. Also What exactly do you think a labour camp is? majority of them are blocks of flats where only laborers live because there companies own those accommodations. Buses with bars do you think they are prisoners or something? they are free to do what i do.

Private health care covers maternity. And my mum never claimed maternity pay as she was self employed this was with my brother of course as i would have no idea about me. Like i said my parents were never entitled to benefits or any help yet they still had to pay a massive amount of tax when they never took from the government.

this will be my last post as this is going grossly off subject. and obviously you have you're opinions and i have mine.

Some reason i am getting the opinion you like to twist the truth and pass it on as facts.

so did i question your beliefs or opinions? no you questioned mine if you don't like the answer stop talking to me simple really.

i have no problem in people question my opinion on a subject like dally, he then didn't drag it out over a multiple post and then start twisting the context of my opinions which has resulted in a childish insult.