What a pile of c**p.

Considered analysis as ever.

"People are poor because they are ing animals. Look at them; just look at them."

Is the author implicitly suggesting that people are ing animals because they are poor? Isn't that in effect the political narrative that has dragged this society into the gutter?

Personally, I believe that people can be poor and decent and should always strive to be the latter with no excuses made for those who choose not to be.

Do you know what, I think I agree with him. The thing about Hillsborough as far as I can see is that it could have been any football club this happened to, from all reports the game was in a right state back then and there had been several other close shaves that could have easily turned out to be the same tragedy as Hillsborough. I think the Police and the authorities messed up obviously in a terrible way and they disgustingly tried to cover their actions with the easy scapegoat of drunken yobish hooligans, which the game was littered with at that time. Personally I don't think it has anything to do with anti Scouse or anti Liverpudlian.

The reputation of football fans generally was very low at the time, many people were prepared to believe the worst. But I always found The Sun's accusations too much of a stretch to believe. I really didnt think that fans would act that way to fans of their own club.

I dont think think any anti Liverpool sentiments were fueled by a dislike of scousers as such. But Hillsborough happened just 4 years after Hysel and I do think that tainted peoples reactions. There seemed to be quite a widespead feeling, which I shared, that Liverpool fans had refused to accept responsibility for Hysel, that it was everyone else's fault but theirs. When Hillsborough happened many people were reluctant to accept that Liverpool fans might be largely blameless. It was perceived as Hysel Mark II. The cover up was easier to achieve because of what happened 4 year earlier.

Could have been any of us.

I have stored this phrase away in what's left of my memory.
I shall be giving it an airing from time to time as it sums up most of what Boris spouts.

Liverpool doesn't have exclusivity for this s opinionation.



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Great post....At that time, there was nothing perceived as lower than a football fan - After her victory over the miners, Thatcher had made it her goal to kill the sport, which would have been another hammer blow to the working classes of the country, who Thatcher was determined to punish for their opposition to her leadership of the country.

Thatcher had actually banned English clubs from Europe in '85, immediately after Heysel, before UEFA had even had chance to think about it, and I know it sounds harsh, but Hillsborough must have been golddust to Thatcher, as it gave her another excuse to smear football fans.

I really hope that any future inquest investigates Thatcher's role in this whole thing....It would not shock me if government's fingerprints were involved in this - Certainly Thatcher's favourite propoganda machine, the Sun, was immersed in this cover-up, so it figures that the Government were not far away during the discussions that thought up such an awful plot to blacken a cities population, and a sport's followers.

Deary me. The extrapolations and flights of fancy people come up with!

Sorry, but Thatcher smashing the unions, scargill, Hatton, and livingstone was simply brilliant, simply brilliant. As for you thinking Thatcher suddenly going all Pinochet and making opposition politicians disappear, stay off the heroin.

LOL

Pretty much how many people thought about the Hillsborough families fight for the truth.

Look how that ended up.

I wonder if any of the fans who turned up without a ticket and entered the stadium feel any guilt?

Have you asked any of them?

Probably both of them.

Can you enlighten us on what evidence you base your allegation that any significant number did?

In the cold world of facts, the game was a sellout, and only 24 people more than its official capacity entered the Leppings Lane end. Is it those 24?

Some folk just don't want to accept the facts. I actually had a work colleague complain yesterday that the Panel's report was flawed because it hadn't 'put the other side' forward. He didn't seem able to comprehend that there [iwas[/i no other 'side'.

I reckon it's part of the human condition in modern times. Looking at your avatar for instance, there are tens of thousands, maybe more, who will forever be entirely convinced that Neil Armstrong never set foot on the moon. The same people probably all claim experiencing alien anal probes, and having seen alien spacecraft. Wouldn't be surprised if denial in the face of the most overwhelming evidence is probably now a recognised psychiatric condition in its own right.

It's called 'religion', isn't it?

So everyone in the ground had a ticket- is that what you are saying?

A damned sight greater percentage than here, dear:



Let's repeat this slowly and in the smallest words possible.

Liverpool fans were not the cause of the disaster.

There's no evidence to suggest that a number of people great enough to have contributed to the disaster in any meaningful way [ididn't[/i have a ticket. Unless you are in possession of some that you didn't release to the panel, are you?

By the time SYP had gone through pockets looking for stuff to discredit the victims with, there were probably a few without tickets then.

So the answer is that those in the ground who had no legitimate right to be there have no reason to have any feeling of guilt as it is deemed that there presence did not contribute to the series of events that caused the deaths- That’s made it clearer