I don't disagree about the reform and certain people being prosecuted, but after what has been revealed just by the goings on in the NoW, what else is the rest of the inquiry going to uncover that could be worse than what the Now were doing?

That it was not a lone bad egg.

I would imagine the scope and depth of press activities and also the involvement of other agencies such as the police, other civil servants and politicians.

I see no reason to introduce draconian privacy laws, such as the French but I would like to see an independent press complaints commission that does have some teeth, as opposed to the cosy, old-boys club that currently exists. I would also like to see the existing laws (new ones are totally unnecessary) used with some vigour.

And the merry dance continues: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16771809

And the merry dance continues: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16771809

They have been seaching The Sun's offices. Please, oh please Rupie close it down! if we could rid the nation of that peice of s**te the country would be a better place.

Tell us why, in your opinion, it's a piece of s t?

[urlhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16830084[/url
Private investigator Glenn Mulcaire has lost his appeal against two court orders that may force him to reveal who ordered him to hack phones.

A High Court panel heard the appeal at the Royal Courts of Justice in November but had reserved its judgement.

Mulcaire had appealed to try to avoid having to answer questions in civil proceedings that could incriminate him.

he is asking the Supreme Court for permission to appeal anyway, and has to do so by 6 feb. if he fails, he could be obliged to reveal some very interesting details.

Oh, sing little birdie, sing.

I wonder whether being compelled to name names might leave Mulcaire open to being sued for breach of any confidentiality agreement he may have signed in order to get his legal fees paid?

There's an intriguing question.

I would have thought that a court order would take precedence over any contractual agreement and render it void.

I thought his legal fees were only in respect of any criminal proceedings against him. This seems to centre around civil proceedings

AFAIK - I'm sure the lawyers on here will correct me if I'm wrong - no contract my bind it's parties to an unlawful act. Disobeying a court order would be an unlawful act. Therefore …

No. As I said earlier in the thread, Mulcaire has won his case against News group newspapers that NGN must indemnify him in respect of the costs and damages arising from litigation to which they were jointly sued, on the terms contained in an indemnity letter.

An indemnity against civil or criminal liability resulting from the deliberate commission of a crime would certainly not be enforceable by a criminal, but that did not apply to subsequent agreements in relation to civil proceedings arising out of the criminal conduct. So NGN's indemnity to Mulcaire was not void as contrary to public policy. The court declared that there was a valid contract of indemnity which had not been determined and was still subsisting, so if he is ordered to pay, they pay it.

On the other point, you could clearly not commit a civil wrong by obeying an order of the court. In this instance, it's the perfect Nuremberg defence.

Rupert's on his way back to town.

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/ian-burrell-how-far-will-rupert-murdoch-go-to-save-the-currant-bun-6795253.htmlCould he be about to shut down The Currant Bung?[/url

NI's MSC has been busy handing over incriminating evidence to the Met, including one expense claim that read "£500 to pay a police officer". What's the betting that, once again, the foot soldiers take the brunt of any sanctions and the management who presided over the whole sorry mess, escape scot free?

I think the handing over of sacrificial victims as a policy is pretty clear. Right up to some quite senior people, it seems.

And on the same topic, anyone remember how the [iSun[/i said that the Anders Breivik killings were an "Al-Qaeda massacre"?

Well now, Trevor Kavanagh says we "shouldn't jump to conclusions".

Apparently, the weekend's arrests are part of "a witch hunt", and the situation is so bad that it's [url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4124870/The-Suns-Trevor-Kavanagh-Witch-hunt-puts-us-behind-ex-Soviet-states-on-Press-freedom.html"put us behind ex-Soviet states on Press freedom" [sic[/url.

Apparently Trev believes that, in essence, if corrupt and criminal practices were being done by others too, it was alright for the [iSun[/i to do it too.

I was nearly sick when I read that rant (can't call it an article). I wonder if anyone has any sypmathy for them?

I like this bit:

[i"Yet in what would at any other time cause uproar in Parliament and among civil liberty and human rights campaigners, its journalists are being treated like members of an organised crime gang. "[/i

Well stop acting like an organised criminal gang then. When don Rupo Murdochoni flies in, you lot had best get the KY ready for a right royal shafting. Even that little schoolkid Dominic Mohan thinks it won't be long before he gets his collar felt.

Well, 'Trevor Kavanagh' is trending on Twitter, so you can find lots of responses – some of which think he's brill and what he said is superb.

I'm currently having a 'debate' with one idiot who started by tweeting at me that Tom Watson isn't an MP.

Now, people are entirely within their rights not to like Watson – or any other MP – but to claim he isn't an MP because you don't like him or what he has campaigned on is just stupidity.

The same twerp then announced that Watson et al don't care about preventing terrorism because a few police have apparently been transferred from such duty to this case.

And were this not evidence enough of idiocy, added that people like me and Watson are corrupt because we're more interested in who is accused of being corrupt than in the corruption.

And Coddy – spot on!

Oh, it just gets better: my cretinous little defender of the [iSun[/i has now announced that my describing his comments as "crass claims" is an insult on a par with calling someone a "fat tw @t". And then called me exactly that.

As I said before what a service to the UK it will be idf The Sun gets closed down. More than anything else it has been responsible for the "yobbification" of this county over the last 40 years or so. Let's hope it goes and goers in disgrace.

Couldn't resist



Your wife... does she go? Eh? Eh? Phwoarrr

Actually picked up a copy of the Sun today while waiting in the barbers. Hilarious comments about UK now having less press freedom than Russia or lots of other countries they could think of that your average Joe assumes has state controlled newspapers. Indingnant claims that their great newspaper is not soiled toilet paper. Maybe the reporter who wrote it (he had his name and picture at the top of the sharticle but he was instantly forgettable) should have taken a look at the 7 pages of "hard hitting reporting" prior to his editorial. 6 pages of "speculation" regarding Whitney Houston with lovely photos of a hotel sink full off fag ends and drugs and a list of all the medication she "might" have been taking. And of course page 7 was the t!t$ of the day.

I had to laugh when I read a tweet from "Sir Arnold Robinson", paraphrasing Kelvin MacKenzie's statement to Leveson: "Journalists outraged at an invasion of privacy by police, remember: (1) nothing to hide, nothing to fear; and, (2) privacy is for paedos"

Also interesting to see that MacKenzie bottled out of yesterday's Sunday Politics with Brillo show. He was supposed to be debating with Tom Watson but got someone to phone in and cry off. Isn't that just the way with bullies?

Yup.