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| Quote ="wire-quin"When on the back foot............'"
So where’s the covid inquiry?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Are they tagging the police as well
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"What's wrong with higher wages funded by the private sector'"
You cant just pay higher wages with no additional "return", that will just lead to inflation and interest rate increases.
If Tesco's have to pay their staff significantly more (starting with their drivers, for instance), they will recover those increases by increasing prices, which you, me and everyone else have to pay.
Bojo's mantra is almost the polar opposite of the Tory mantra of the last 40 years.
It's ok suggesting that "we" want a high skilled, high wage economy but, that take years to achieve (if it can be achieved) and in the meantime, Bojo has lifted the lid on increasing wage demands. It's certainly an different approach
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You cant just pay higher wages with no additional "return", that will just lead to inflation and interest rate increases.
If Tesco's have to pay their staff significantly more (starting with their drivers, for instance), they will recover those increases by increasing prices, which you, me and everyone else have to pay.
Bojo's mantra is almost the polar opposite of the Tory mantra of the last 40 years.
It's ok suggesting that "we" want a high skilled, high wage economy but, that take years to achieve (if it can be achieved) and in the meantime, Bojo has lifted the lid on increasing wage demands. It's certainly an different approach'"
But you are supporting Labour's £15/hr minimum wage - go figure?
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| Quote ="Zoo Zoo Boom"But you are supporting Labour's £15/hr minimum wage - go figure?'"
Am I ?
I would suggest this is yet another mistake, that has come from conference
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You cant just pay higher wages with no additional "return", that will just lead to inflation and interest rate increases.
If Tesco's have to pay their staff significantly more (starting with their drivers, for instance), they will recover those increases by increasing prices, which you, me and everyone else have to pay.
Bojo's mantra is almost the polar opposite of the Tory mantra of the last 40 years.
It's ok suggesting that "we" want a high skilled, high wage economy but, that take years to achieve (if it can be achieved) and in the meantime, Bojo has lifted the lid on increasing wage demands. It's certainly an different approach'"
Why can't we have a high skilled high wage economy and who mentioned anything about no return, and what would be so bad about an inflation rise
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"Why can't we have a high skilled high wage economy and who mentioned anything about no return, and what would be so bad about an inflation rise'"
For a high skilled economy you needed to start investing in education at least a decade ago.
Coincidentally the time the Tories started slashing at it.
Nostalgia for inflation is a new one, deary me it's desperate times when that's the argument.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"For a high skilled economy you needed to start investing in education at least a decade ago.
Coincidentally the time the Tories started slashing at it.
Nostalgia for inflation is a new one, deary me it's desperate times when that's the argument.'"
Wasn't that the whole point of controlled immigration and you must have conveniently missed the various apprenticeship schemes, doesn't suit your agenda does it
And tell me what's wrong with an inflation rise going side by side with wages increasing
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| The global economy is on a knife edge at the moment. Global labour shortages, severely disrupted supply chains, inflation rising globally at rates not seen in decades, and probably most worryingly, China looks like it's property bubble is finally about to burst. So, to lay the blame at any individual government is an over simplification IMO.
If inflation continues rising, then companies will have no choice but to increase wages.
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| They did with the global bank crisis in 2008 when it was all Labours fault.
I note at his conference speech he referred to his ready made deal for social care when he was appointed Tory leader. He suggested that he was now getting on with it therefore one must presume it was always his intention to increase NI however I don’t remember this ever being in their manifesto.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"They did with the global bank crisis in 2008 when it was all Labours fault.
I note at his conference speech he referred to his ready made deal for social care when he was appointed Tory leader. He suggested that he was now getting on with it therefore one must presume it was always his intention to increase NI however I don’t remember this ever being in their manifesto.'"
He also said the British economy will grow quickest in the G7
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| If based on the usual period we are actually 5th but Boris likes to twist a statistic.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"If based on the usual period we are actually 5th but Boris likes to twist a statistic.'"
Didn't the IMF also predict the same
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| If you read the fact checker of his speech you will see the above and all the other incorrect statements he likes to make. His current tactic is to produce a fact then you continue to talk so that the interviewer gets no chance to correct the falsehood before his minder steps in to shut it down.
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"Why can't we have a high skilled high wage economy and who mentioned anything about no return, and what would be so bad about an inflation rise'"
You ask "what would be so bad about an inflation rise[".
First of all, there has already been a rise in inflation but, the BoE believes the inflationary factors to be "temporary".
Should inflation stay above the BoE target, they would increase interest rates, which would be a further "hit" to the vast majority of British tax payers, and especially to those who have bought new properties on the back of the recent stamp duty "holiday".
I dont know how old you are but, inflation in the mid 80's was somewhat higher than it is today and interest rates on mortgages touched 15% during the Thatcher era.
This is all well and good if you are a net saver but, crippling if you have loans/ mortgage/ credit cards or other finance to pay off.
Also if the interest on the record government borrowing increased, the fall out would be immense.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You ask "what would be so bad about an inflation rise[".
First of all, there has already been a rise in inflation but, the BoE believes the inflationary factors to be "temporary".
Should inflation stay above the BoE target, they would increase interest rates, which would be a further "hit" to the vast majority of British tax payers, and especially to those who have bought new properties on the back of the recent stamp duty "holiday".
I dont know how old you are but, inflation in the mid 80's was somewhat higher than it is today and interest rates on mortgages touched 15% during the Thatcher era.
This is all well and good if you are a net saver but, crippling if you have loans/ mortgage/ credit cards or other finance to pay off.
Also if the interest on the record government borrowing increased, the fall out would be immense.'"
But the interest rate is at a historic low ,so it will rise but we ain't going to see 80s rates, higher inflation means higher wages ,which in turn is more tax revenue and less in work benefits
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"You ask "what would be so bad about an inflation rise[".
First of all, there has already been a rise in inflation but, the BoE believes the inflationary factors to be "temporary".
Should inflation stay above the BoE target, they would increase interest rates, which would be a further "hit" to the vast majority of British tax payers, and especially to those who have bought new properties on the back of the recent stamp duty "holiday".
I dont know how old you are but, inflation in the mid 80's was somewhat higher than it is today and interest rates on mortgages touched 15% during the Thatcher era.
This is all well and good if you are a net saver but, crippling if you have loans/ mortgage/ credit cards or other finance to pay off.
Also if the interest on the record government borrowing increased, the fall out would be immense.'"
The Tories also scrapped MIRAS
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| Wages rise, cost of goods rise causing an increase in inflation. This means that to avoid wages falling behind inflation which would translate into an actual cut, they would need to increase further resulting in higher costs and increased inflation.
If he is so keen to see a high wage economy why have they pegged those of the public sector to a rate that actually means their salaries are buying less. He likes to blame business but maybe he should look to reward those in the public sector.
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| Quote ="JONNYGIANT"But the interest rate is at a historic low ,so it will rise but we ain't going to see 80s rates, higher inflation means higher wages ,which in turn is more tax revenue and less in work benefits'"
If people need more income, due to higher prices, people will need higher wages to stand still and there would pressure on to increase benefits to at least keep pace with inflation or, should those with the least be squeezed disproportionately.
Can you not see the upward wage inflation spiral.
I do accept that interest rates can only possibly go one way (unless we have a period of deflation) and I accept that we aren't suddenly going to see a return to the rates from the 80's.
Try working out a 1-1.5% increase will be per month on the average UK mortgage of £137k
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"Wages rise, cost of goods rise causing an increase in inflation. This means that to avoid wages falling behind inflation which would translate into an actual cut, they would need to increase further resulting in higher costs and increased inflation.
If he is so keen to see a high wage economy why have they pegged those of the public sector to a rate that actually means their salaries are buying less. He likes to blame business but maybe he should look to reward those in the public sector.'"
The public sector have already overtaken wages in the private sector. And you want more?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"If people need more income, due to higher prices, people will need higher wages to stand still and there would pressure on to increase benefits to at least keep pace with inflation or, should those with the least be squeezed disproportionately.
Can you not see the upward wage inflation spiral.
I do accept that interest rates can only possibly go one way (unless we have a period of deflation) and I accept that we aren't suddenly going to see a return to the rates from the 80's.
Try working out a 1-1.5% increase will be per month on the average UK mortgage of £137k'"
I'm sorry but anyone who has half a brain who has taken on a mortgage at the current rates and doesn't expect the rate to rise deserves all they get.
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| Quote ="wotsupcas"I'm sorry but anyone who has half a brain who has taken on a mortgage at the current rates and doesn't expect the rate to rise deserves all they get.'"
Meanwhile, young (and some not so young) borrowers have taken out mortgages for 35 years or, maybe even "lifetime" mortgages and any significant increases will see them struggling to meet their payments.
We've had low rates for long enough now for them to be considered the norm.
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| Quote ="The Ghost of '99"LOL, you OK hun. Sorry if my use of larger words confuses you.
JG suggested that democracy had failed because Labour's policy offerings didn't meet his approval. I've no real idea what other accusations of fascism you're referring to tbh, I suspect you just [ithink [/iyou've read that to fit with your world view.
No misfortune for me either, I voted Labour at the last election for once but I'm an Orange Book liberal more aligned with Ken Clarke Toryism than Corbyn. But I believed - and events prove me more right every day - that Johnson is too dangerous to be left in power.'"
I always enjoy your postings, absolutely hilarious. Keep em coming. Last time anyone asked if I was ok hun was in a diner in the USA by a teenage waitress wearing a baseball cap. I am working on the presumption that wasn’t you, although your political posturings always have a remarkable similarity with sixth form student politics. Your reference to Ken Clarke was an absolute side splitter, good old Ken was another charlatan. Because the press like him he never came under any real scrutiny. He obviously fooled you, bet the time share and double glazing salesmen are popular at your house.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"I always enjoy your postings, absolutely hilarious. Keep em coming. Last time anyone asked if I was ok hun was in a diner in the USA by a teenage waitress wearing a baseball cap. I am working on the presumption that wasn’t you, although your political posturings always have a remarkable similarity with sixth form student politics. Your reference to Ken Clarke was an absolute side splitter, good old Ken was another charlatan. Because the press like him he never came under any real scrutiny. He obviously fooled you, bet the time share and double glazing salesmen are popular at your house.'"
Well you seem to be entertainingly triggered by something.
I guess we won't see any policy suggestions or anything like from you though, it's all about the rather weird ad hom stuff. Whatever floats your boat. Hun.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Meanwhile, young (and some not so young) borrowers have taken out mortgages for 35 years or, maybe even "lifetime" mortgages and any significant increases will see them struggling to meet their payments.
We've had low rates for long enough now for them to be considered the norm.'"
I can see your point regarding normal, unfortunately we aren’t living in normal times. In fact at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious we are about to enter into a period of extreme turbulence.
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