Gidiot need to find £25bn further savings, who better to fund them than the already impoverished?

I believe in a appropriately sized and funded state, where those in [igenuine[/i need get the assistance they [igenuinely[/i require.



You have no idea of the circumstance of any of those things.



as it stands, I couldn't, not to a standard I'd find acceptable, hence I haven't been irresponsible and had kids like shelling peas, unfortunately some of the rest of the population just make selfish decisions and expect people to pick up the tab for them. "well, they're rich, innit, they can pay for me to sit on benefits street"

I'll assume you're not wishing misfortune upon me, not you usual style. And yes, I do Ski, and I also have the relevant insurance to cover me in the event of an accident.

And, as I said above, most Americans have the adequate level of insurance in place PRIOR to making a decision to have children.

We have different opinions, as has been proven over many years, and, with a fair wind for us both, will last many more years. I simply cannot see how [iconstantly[/i bemoaning people wealth, and yet expecting them to underpin an overly generous welfare system is logical.

Cameron has, and earns, money = he pays tax
Osbourne has, and earns, money = he pays tax

The Clampits from No22 somewhere ville have no money, do not work, don't pay tax, yet they get their rent, council tax and other elements of their life paid for, by the people that pay tax.

It's not a difficult argument that the Clampits are lacking personal responsibility and any work ethic.

I fully appreciate there are [isome[/i people who genuinely cannot work, but not as many as those who are [iclaiming[/i they cannot work.

as it should be, the State didn't get her pregnant!?

And you wonder why you get abuse, you bring it all on yourself.

Irony, a man who got everything he has by inheriting it seeks to stop others getting something for nothing...

it was a personal choice for her to get pregnant, I get abuse because some posters are Teflon when it comes to the AUP.

I'll take a wild guess that you were born in Beverley Westwood NHS hospital and your parents didn't pay a penny for your birth because the state didn't get your mother pregnant did they? I'll take another wild guess and say that your parents didn't pay a fee for you at the state school South Hunsley that you went to either.

Why would a poster receive abuse for that viewpoint?

wrong, but keep cracking on.

because it doesn't fit with he "waaah waah waaah, I've made little out of life and it's someone else's responsibility to pay" mentality?

I'll bet my mortgage is was an NHS hospital and your parents didn't pay a penny because yours and my grandparents who were working and paid taxes then paid for your birth as with your education just as you are funding the OAP's of today and the kids of todays education. Thats the way how this country works, if you don't like it, go and live somewhere you are alright Jack.

No, I'll stay and remain incredibly tax efficient, thanks.

too many hangers on and freeloaders, just my opinion.

How many?

no idea, too many, probably in the hundreds of thousands, possibly more.

is everyone in receipt of benefit in [igenuine[/i need, in your opinion?

I wouldn't say 100% were but the number that are gaming the system are dwarfed by the number who aren't.

You should stop believing tabloid and tory bull[is[/ihit

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Quote ="cod'ead"I wouldn't say 100% were but the number that are gaming the system are dwarfed by the number who aren't. You should stop believing tabloid and tory bull[is[/ihit'" DWP's own figures: Income Support: 2.4% JobSeeker's Allowance: 4.1% Pension Credit: 2.3% Housing Benefit: 1.3% Incapacity Benefit: 0.3% Disability Living Allowance: 0.5% Retirement Pension: 0.0% Carer's Allowance: 3.9% wheresthebenefit.blogspot.co.uk/ ... ppers.html

I KNOW, remember, I work in it, never said it was the majority.

Labour bull that the Tories believe it's the majority.

The political dogma on here is so biased it is untrue.

You have something to do with social housing right?

Or maybe wrong.

Just a question.

No, I work in B&Q as a paint expert, which makes me as informed as the majority of posters on here,

Of course, because the connection between working at B&Q and being well-informed (or any degree of informed) is ...

spectacular missing of point...

And your ability to be more well informed than most is defined how exactly? you live in Lidgett Green?

People in glasshouses!!

We all pay for the NHS - its not free, 'most' pay in a hell of lot more than we ever get out. Your above statement is factually incorrect as is your point about education!!

She meant "free at the point of need" as you are fully aware.

Unfortunately contributing to the state is not some form of pick 'n' mix, where we can chose just what parts we'd like to make a contribution. I didn't agree with our invasion of Iraq but I never got a chance to withdraw my financial support in protest

Just because they don't give you bill doesn't mean its free it costs you just as much if not more over your lifetime - as you very well know. Personally I would rather pay pvt insurance and use when required.