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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"icon_lol.gif
...... Another Daily Star reader, whose only knowledge of UKIP's policies is the 'kick the immigrants out'- type nonsense that gets uttered down the Legion every night....
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Go on then oh superior one, read what you have quoted and then explain to me what cuts UKIP have inflicted on the public so far?
I'll save you time - none.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Go on then oh superior one, read what you have quoted and then explain to me what cuts UKIP have inflicted on the public so far?
I'll save you time - none.'"
So you cast a vote without reading a party's proposed policies??....
Its little wonder UKIP have done so well, if people have based their voting on a similar logic to yours.
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| Quote ="Dita's Slot Meter"So you cast a vote without reading a party's proposed policies??....
Its little wonder UKIP have done so well, if people have based their voting on a similar logic to yours.'"
Of course I have read their manifesto, but I have very little faith in any political party to deliver what they put down in there, the Tories didn't mention what they were going to be getting up to in their last one you'll notice.
As I say, I don't trust any of them, but the "big 2" have proved they aren't fit for purpose, Ukip still has a modicum of potential to surprise me.
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| Quote ="Kosh"You don't 'stick 2 fingers up at the establishment' by voting for a bunch of racist, mysoginistic chancers. Anyone who voted UKIP is either a racist or a moron. No exceptions.
Edit: Well, I suppose they could be both. In fact that's quite likely really.'"
As I've written on here for years that sort of idiocy is what drives backlashes and extremism. UKIP's popularity is one of the first manifestations of that. Telling people what to think, calling them -ists when you disagree with them is evil and stupid. Guess what normally happens to evil and stupid people - the majority rises and crushes them when they are sick of them.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"My options at the ballot were...
Labour - No
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Greens - What's the point
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and Ukip, so I voted for them based on process of elimination.
What a horrible racist I must be!'"
When you say Green what's the point - why? They got three times the MEPs as the LibDems and they're in government! Need to vote for them to change things (as shown by UKIPs rise).
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| Quote ="Kosh"You don't 'stick 2 fingers up at the establishment' by voting for a bunch of racist, mysoginistic chancers. Anyone who voted UKIP is either a racist or a moron. No exceptions.
Edit: Well, I suppose they could be both. In fact that's quite likely really.'"
Mostly the former unfortunately. People like to make out we are some wonderfully diverse nation where everyone accepts each other. But when push comes to shove Britain as a country is inherently racist.
A common phrase you hear when discussing these things is "I'm not racist, I just think we should be helping out own before sending money abroad." Well I'm sorry, but if two people need aid and you choose to give it to the British guy purely because he is British, then that is the definition of racism. Maybe I'm naive, but as far as I'm concerned we all live on the same planet, and if someone wants to come here to make a better life for themselves and to try to contribute to society I couldn't give two f**ks where they are from.
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| Quote ="Dally"As I've written on here for years that sort of idiocy is what drives backlashes and extremism. UKIP's popularity is one of the first manifestations of that. Telling people what to think, calling them -ists when you disagree with them is evil and stupid. Guess what normally happens to evil and stupid people - the majority rises and crushes them when they are sick of them.'"
Most bigots don't like being called bigots, this doesn't stop them being bigots however.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Mostly the former unfortunately. People like to make out we are some wonderfully diverse nation where everyone accepts each other. But when push comes to shove Britain as a country is inherently racist.
A common phrase you hear when discussing these things is "I'm not racist, I just think we should be helping out own before sending money abroad." Well I'm sorry, but if two people need aid and you choose to give it to the British guy purely because he is British, then that is the definition of racism. Maybe I'm naive, but as far as I'm concerned we all live on the same planet, and if someone wants to come here to make a better life for themselves and to try to contribute to society I couldn't give two f**ks where they are from.'"
I agree with the last bit, anyone who wants to come and make a better life and contribute is more than welcome by me also. However, wanting the government to cut it's aid budget to increase spending in the UK is not racist... in the slightest.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"I agree with the last bit, anyone who wants to come and make a better life and contribute is more than welcome by me '"
Unfortunately they wouldn't be welcomed by UPRIK or many tories. They'd be turned away at the border before they could be given a chance to show what they are capable of.
A very dear friend of mine arrived here 7 years ago to pick strawberries, her first week's wages, after accommodation costs and agency fees were deducted was £19 for a 60 hour week. She thought she'd come for a few months and then return home with a load of money in the bank. After the strawberry picking ended, she took various jobs in warehousing etc but somewhere along the line, it was discovered she had an aptitude for writing code.
She is now a recognised expert in Java, working for an IT solutions company in Berkshire and should graduate from the OU next year with a BSc in IT. She now considers the UK to be "home" and has no intention of ever leaving.
That talent would have been lost, had UPRIK been in charge of our borders.
Mind you, there's still something to get the narrow-minded frothing at the mouth. She will shortly be embarking on transition from male to female, all funded by the NHS.
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"Mostly the former unfortunately. People like to make out we are some wonderfully diverse nation where everyone accepts each other. But when push comes to shove Britain as a country is inherently racist.
A common phrase you hear when discussing these things is "I'm not racist, I just think we should be helping out own before sending money abroad." Well I'm sorry, but if two people need aid and you choose to give it to the British guy purely because he is British, then that is the definition of racism. Maybe I'm naive, but as far as I'm concerned we all live on the same planet, and if someone wants to come here to make a better life for themselves and to try to contribute to society I couldn't give two f**ks where they are from.'"
All peoples in your terms are "inherently racist." Just in Britain - look at certain Muslim "communities" systemstic rape and abuse of white girls (did they "care" for them?); the Chinese community call us "white devils" and say we all stink (among themselves); white people among themselves make derogatory comments about immigrants / non-white people regularly when they assume others in a group will not jump down their throats. The whole "racism" industry / thought police is / are required to try to counteract this. There will always be a constant strain and at different times in our country's future one or other will be in the ascendancy to differing degrees.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Unfortunately they wouldn't be welcomed by UPRIK or many tories. They'd be turned away at the border before they could be given a chance to show what they are capable of.
A very dear friend of mine arrived here 7 years ago to pick strawberries, her first week's wages, after accommodation costs and agency fees were deducted was £19 for a 60 hour week. She thought she'd come for a few months and then return home with a load of money in the bank. After the strawberry picking ended, she took various jobs in warehousing etc but somewhere along the line, it was discovered she had an aptitude for writing code.
She is now a recognised expert in Java, working for an IT solutions company in Berkshire and should graduate from the OU next year with a BSc in IT. She now considers the UK to be "home" and has no intention of ever leaving.
That talent would have been lost, had UPRIK been in charge of our borders.'"
But surely that decision would have been for the Brussels gravy train bureaucrats anyway (if UKIP propaganda is to be believed)? We've lost control of our borders!!!!!
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Of course I have read their manifesto,'"
You cast your vote after reading [url=http://www.ukip-ynl.org/ukip-manifesto-2014.pdfTHIS[/url?
12 pages, 5 of them taken up with anything but policy.
That is not a manifesto, Lidl push more (valuable) information through my door each week.
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| I voted for my local councillor because I know him, he does a good job in my area. I couldn't care less which party his sponsorship and funding comes from. I'd have preferred it if the ballot paper just had a list of names.
Anyone who can't be bothered to find out the names of the local candidates and what they stand for but rather base their choice on a national party and their manifesto shouldn't be voting.
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| Quote ="West Leeds Rhino"I voted for my local councillor because I know him, he does a good job in my area. I couldn't care less which party his sponsorship and funding comes from. I'd have preferred it if the ballot paper just had a list of names.
Anyone who can't be bothered to find out the names of the local candidates and what they stand for but rather base their choice on a national party and their manifesto shouldn't be voting.'"
So to be clear, he'd get your vote even if he defected to the BNP, EDL or the I Want to Drop a Blancmange Down Terry Wogan's Y-Fronts Party?
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"My options at the ballot were...
Labour - No
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Greens - What's the point
English Democrats - No
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and Ukip, so I voted for them based on process of elimination.
What a horrible racist I must be!'"
What do you mean what is the point of voting for the Greens?
This election was done under PR you know so if you preferred their policies to those of UKIP there was every point voting for them and thus not voting UKIP.
I don't understand the process of elimination idea either. Just because you don't want to vote Labour or Tory or whatever you aren't compelled to vote for whoever you consider the "least worst" with that being UKIP.
If you had dismissed all the others why on looking at UKIP's policies didn't you eliminate them as well?
Or in reality do you actually agree with something they claim as policy so made a conscious choice rather than just defaulting to UKIP because the others are rubbish in your view?
Mind you whichever it is, neither is an excuse for casting a vote for that bunch of fascists.
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| Quote ="DaveO"
Mind you whichever it is, neither is an excuse for casting a vote for that bunch of fascists.'"
Is there an excuse for voting, say, Communist?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"You cast your vote after reading [url=http://www.ukip-ynl.org/ukip-manifesto-2014.pdfTHIS[/url?
12 pages, 5 of them taken up with anything but policy.
That is not a manifesto, Lidl push more (valuable) information through my door each week.'"
What a bag of crap all that was. Still it was nice to see Nick ( Bog eyed lunatic ) Griffin lose his seat.
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| Quote ="DaveO"What do you mean what is the point of voting for the Greens?
This election was done under PR you know so if you preferred their policies to those of UKIP there was every point voting for them and thus not voting UKIP.
I don't understand the process of elimination idea either. Just because you don't want to vote Labour or Tory or whatever you aren't compelled to vote for whoever you consider the "least worst" with that being UKIP.
If you had dismissed all the others why on looking at UKIP's policies didn't you eliminate them as well?
Or in reality do you actually agree with something they claim as policy so made a conscious choice rather than just defaulting to UKIP because the others are rubbish in your view?
Mind you whichever it is, neither is an excuse for casting a vote for that bunch of fascists.'"
To be honest the Greens haven't got much presence round here and will be perennial number 4 for the conceivable future imo, so cant really see much point in voting for them.
It really came down to a simple process of elimination, like I say, I dont put much stock in pre-election promises from any party so the manifestos have little to do with it. If they come in and screw up then its only 4 years, if not - job's a goodun!
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| Quote ="Dally"Is there an excuse for voting, say, Communist?'"
Better that than just not bothering...
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"So to be clear, he'd get your vote even if he defected to the BNP, EDL or the I Want to Drop a Blancmange Down Terry Wogan's Y-Fronts Party?'"
Apart from the fact that I know him and know he wouldn't defect or support said parties policies. That sort of proves my point. If you voted for someone you didn't know, that could happen.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I Want to Drop a Blancmange Down Terry Wogan's Y-Fronts'"
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"IMO people who don't vote but whinge like hell are more of a threat to democracy.'"
Voting should be compulsary for all major elections. Imagine the panic in the main parties who suddenly have to take into account the opinions of the 50-70% who regularly don't tick a box.
The main parties know exactly who votes at every election and the breakdown across the various social strata, they don't target policies at groups of people who in the majority don't vote.
Slap a 50 quid fine out to everyone who doesn't vote and watch the numbers go up and the politicians change their tunes.
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| Quote ="DHM"Voting should be compulsary for all major elections. Imagine the panic in the main parties who suddenly have to take into account the opinions of the 50-70% who regularly don't tick a box.
The main parties know exactly who votes at every election and the breakdown across the various social strata, they don't target policies at groups of people who in the majority don't vote.
Slap a 50 quid fine out to everyone who doesn't vote and watch the numbers go up and the politicians change their tunes.'"
That's a horrible idea, you can't force people to engage with politics if they don't want to. Besides, I reckon the party who introduced that law would be voted out by an absolute landslide at the next election if I am any judge of British mentality.
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| I voted UKIP
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| Quote ="DHM"Voting should be compulsary for all major elections. Imagine the panic in the main parties who suddenly have to take into account the opinions of the 50-70% who regularly don't tick a box.
The main parties know exactly who votes at every election and the breakdown across the various social strata, they don't target policies at groups of people who in the majority don't vote.
Slap a 50 quid fine out to everyone who doesn't vote and watch the numbers go up and the politicians change their tunes.'" If we agree that UKIP are a protest party. Then everyone who doesn't vote because they cannot be bothered due to disinterest of politics or as a protest is forced to vote................
Can you fill in the next part. Scary thought.
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