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Something is seriously wrong when a man can make >100k in illegal earnings and not pay tax on that money and still get funding from the state - I am not surprised you can't see that. I have always thought you resented those with real money - its those real red roots of yours from your time at the lefty chip paper producer.
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Presumably the state was unaware of his ill-gotten gains and how he procured them until he was caught?
What is wrong in society is that family members can see unlawful activity happening, are willing to simply sit back until the matter comes to the attention of the relevant state authorities and then blame the state for not doing anything.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"... Something is seriously wrong when a man can make >100k in illegal earnings and not pay tax on that money and still get funding from the state - I am not surprised you can't see that. I have always thought you resented those with real money - its those real red roots of yours from your time at the lefty chip paper producer...'"
Darling, you haven't had a "thought" in a long time. You'd need to activate your brain to do that.
I'm doing pretty nicely too – at last. I certainly don't mind people having a decent income – I rather like it myself. I wouldn't say 'no' to a bit more (and am making efforts to achieve that).
[uAnd I have never suggested otherwise; at any time or in any place.[/u
Although it doesn't surprise me that, in your fantasy world, you seem to think that you know different.
However, on the basis of these comments, I look forward to your campaigning against corporate tax avoidance in the future.
Incidentally – you might find that the Revenue would have fun trying to collect tax on "illegal earnings". The clue is in the first word: "illegal earnings" are not usually declared to anyone – let alone the taxman or the benefits office. And presumably that was why the police got involved at some stage after you'd conveniently not seen what was going on.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"According to you all those on disability should be claiming ...'"
When did you qualify as a medical doctor, Sal?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Presumably the state was unaware of his ill-gotten gains and how he procured them until he was caught?
What is wrong in society is that family members can see unlawful activity happening, are willing to simply sit back until the matter comes to the attention of the relevant state authorities and then blame the state for not doing anything.'"
What's funny though is that the biggest outrage caused is by his claiming benefits, not by his life-ruining dealing in drugs.
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| Quote ="Him"What's funny though is that the biggest outrage caused is by his claiming benefits, not by his life-ruining dealing in drugs.'"
It reminds me of this:
Substiute the [iSun[/i or the [iMail[/i or [iSky News[/i (and there are one or two connections going on here) and you have the same situation.
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| Hmmm yes, I believe that "connection" was recently seen at the home of rich people in July, a Wimbledon final. This despite saying he didn't want to do business in Britain anymore. Which I think he thought would shock and upset people. All I heard was the sound of uproarious laughter and delight.
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| Quote ="Him"Hmmm yes, I believe that "connection" was recently seen at the home of rich people in July, a Wimbledon final. This despite saying he didn't want to do business in Britain anymore. Which I think he thought would shock and upset people. All I heard was the sound of uproarious laughter and delight.'"
Indeedy.
He's not alone in promoting those attitude, of course. I mentioned the [iMail[/i – I could easily have added the [iExpress[/i and others too.
But that attitude is like the 'I look down on him' class sketch from [iThe Frost Report[/i – or even a form of the old song, [iThe Only Consolation is to Kick the Cat[/i.
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"There can't be any doubt in anyones mind now surely that the Tories have lost the plot.'"
Aside from the insanely rich, who are watching their fortunes increase exponentially, I imagine there are few people who have confidence in the Tory-Lib-Dem government. Unfortunately, come the next election, the overwhelming majority will predictably fall into line behind whatever appealing-but-never-to-be-realised manifesto promises the Labour propaganda department dreams up. The small group of policy-making Tories (as opposed to back-benchers who have little real power) will then jump ship to the boards of whatever corporations they've been schmoozing for the past four years, set up lucrative lobbying businesses or stay on (at considerable tax-payer expense) safe in the knowledge that they will likely be integral players in the next Tory government four or eight years on. Meanwhile, the Labour Party will blame all the countries ills on the previous government whilst slavishly following the same US/IMF-dictated economic "reforms" all three parties have been only to happy to kowtow to for the past two decades despite the fact that they are sucking the country dry. Ditto the war on the poor, the middle classes and any foreign nation stupid enough to defy our undeniable right to their natural resources.
Meanwhile the people will continue to delude themselves into thinking there [ireally is[/i a choice at the ballot box rather than get off their backsides and wrestle power back from the most corrupt, decadent and morally bankrupt Parliament in over a century.
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Its working too..............................
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Smith.html
.........................if you believe the tory and DM propaganda.
The article has more spin in it than a ferris wheel. When IDS says its working and people are looking for jobs what he's really meaning is that JSA claims have gone up. Upto a million ESA claimants will be taken off contributory ESA and placed onto JSA. More than a little lie going on here methinks, more like a massive whopper.
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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... Smith.html
.........................if you believe the tory and DM propaganda.
The article has more spin in it than a ferris wheel. When IDS says its working and people are looking for jobs what he's really meaning is that JSA claims have gone up. Upto a million ESA claimants will be taken off contributory ESA and placed onto JSA. More than a little lie going on here methinks, more like a massive whopper.
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| I like this tweet
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Having a Conservative Minister for the Disabled is like having a butcher for lambs.[/i
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| [url=http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/politics/2012/07/there-are-not-120000-troubled-familiesStats and those 'troubled' families.[/url
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| Quote ="Mintball"Darling, you haven't had a "thought" in a long time. You'd need to activate your brain to do that.
I'm doing pretty nicely too – at last. I certainly don't mind people having a decent income – I rather like it myself. I wouldn't say 'no' to a bit more (and am making efforts to achieve that).
[uAnd I have never suggested otherwise; at any time or in any place.[/u
Although it doesn't surprise me that, in your fantasy world, you seem to think that you know different.
However, on the basis of these comments, I look forward to your campaigning against corporate tax avoidance in the future.
Incidentally – you might find that the Revenue would have fun trying to collect tax on "illegal earnings". The clue is in the first word: "illegal earnings" are not usually declared to anyone – let alone the taxman or the benefits office. And presumably that was why the police got involved at some stage after you'd conveniently not seen what was going on.
When did you qualify as a medical doctor, Sal?'"
Go easy. This is a bigger massacre than the battle of the little big horn.
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| 2 programmes to be broadcast on Monday 30th July should be interesting.
Dispatches. 8pm, Channel 4
“Using undercover filming, reporter Jackie Long investigates the shocking processes used to assess whether sickness and disability benefit claimants should be declared fit for work.”
Disabled or faking it? 8.30pm, BBC2
“Panorama investigates the government's plans to end the so-called 'sick note culture' and their attempts to get millions of people off disability benefits and into work. In Britain's modern welfare state, millions are being paid to private companies to assess sick and disabled claimants but is the system working? Or are new tests wrongly victimising those who deserve support the most?”
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| Quote ="Bavaria Crown Tiger"2 programmes to be broadcast on Monday 30th July should be interesting.
Dispatches. 8pm, Channel 4
“Using undercover filming, reporter Jackie Long investigates the shocking processes used to assess whether sickness and disability benefit claimants should be declared fit for work.”
Disabled or faking it? 8.30pm, BBC2
“Panorama investigates the government's plans to end the so-called 'sick note culture' and their attempts to get millions of people off disability benefits and into work. In Britain's modern welfare state, millions are being paid to private companies to assess sick and disabled claimants but is the system working? Or are new tests wrongly victimising those who deserve support the most?”'"
Bearing in mind Atos provide the BBC with all their IT services I'm not expecting a balanced view.
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Bearing in mind Panorama isn't a shadow of the programme it was, neither am I.
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If it is unbalanced then we can add the name of the BBC to the list of government departments and media outlets who are hellbent on brainwashing the British people into thinking we are scrounging, faking, cheating scum.
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... NETTXT9038
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If it is unbalanced then we can add the name of the BBC to the list of government departments and media outlets who are hellbent on brainwashing the British people into thinking we are scrounging, faking, cheating scum.
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/ ... NETTXT9038
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Quote ="Bavaria Crown Tiger"2 programmes to be broadcast on Monday 30th July should be interesting.
Dispatches. 8pm, Channel 4
“Using undercover filming, reporter Jackie Long investigates the shocking processes used to assess whether sickness and disability benefit claimants should be declared fit for work.”
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Looking forward to this one; its all going to come out in the wash, but its only what I and others have been saying for the last year or so, at least its going out nationally now.
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Dispatches. 8pm, Channel 4
“Using undercover filming, reporter Jackie Long investigates the shocking processes used to assess whether sickness and disability benefit claimants should be declared fit for work.”
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Looking forward to this one; its all going to come out in the wash, but its only what I and others have been saying for the last year or so, at least its going out nationally now.
www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... NETTXT9038
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| Quote ="Hull White Star"Bearing in mind Atos provide the BBC with all their IT services I'm not expecting a balanced view.'"
Very pleasantly surprised and delighted at both programmes. Britain (and the Sin Bin) is now fully aware of the motives of the DWP, Atos, the Tories and that liar Grayling. At least you have all heard it from the horses mouth and don't have to wonder if I'm making it all up now
And just on another note, Prof Harrington shown in the Panorama documentary, quit today. Nice to see him standing by his principles saying its the WCA is not fit for purpose.
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Very pleasantly surprised and delighted at both programmes. Britain (and the Sin Bin) is now fully aware of the motives of the DWP, Atos, the Tories and that liar Grayling. At least you have all heard it from the horses mouth and don't have to wonder if I'm making it all up now
And just on another note, Prof Harrington shown in the Panorama documentary, quit today. Nice to see him standing by his principles saying its the WCA is not fit for purpose.'"
I dont think Atos are fit for purpose either. The whole thing is a joke top to bottom.
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Quote ="cod'ead"[url=http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/06/29/the-video-on-benefits-the-government-want-censored/The MoJ video that the DWP don't want anyone to see[/url
The Ministry of Justice produced a video for publication on youtube, informing benefits claimants how best to approach an appeal tribunal. Atr the insistance of Chris Graying, the video was pulled and when it later re-appeared, was pulled again.
So, it now appears that the DWP are not only content with removing benefits from the most vulnerable, they want to make sure that those whose benefits were removed unfairly, can't get a chance of winning an appeal.'"
Seems like Grayling has had another outing as a liar, two in one week (Panorama; "there are no financial targets" as the Atos Doctor is seen saying "its about getting as many people off the benefit as possible"icon_wink.gif
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The Ministry of Justice produced a video for publication on youtube, informing benefits claimants how best to approach an appeal tribunal. Atr the insistance of Chris Graying, the video was pulled and when it later re-appeared, was pulled again.
So, it now appears that the DWP are not only content with removing benefits from the most vulnerable, they want to make sure that those whose benefits were removed unfairly, can't get a chance of winning an appeal.'"
Seems like Grayling has had another outing as a liar, two in one week (Panorama; "there are no financial targets" as the Atos Doctor is seen saying "its about getting as many people off the benefit as possible"icon_wink.gif
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Wouldn't that make you fit for work?
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| And let's not forget Atos – [url=http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nurse-makes-heartfelt-apology-after-1340838which apparently forced a nurse to trick people at their 'fitness for work' interviews.[/url
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| The benefits system is in total disarray. We claimed ESA for Miss Dally and it took them something like 6 months to process it. So, if she hadn't been supported elsewhere what would she have done? Not sure we have received the back-dated cash yet either.
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