Quote ="The Video Ref"It was some time ago. The best I can find it a link to the Wail in 2006, which carries a similar story and may or may not be the one I read originally. I seem to recall this story repeating around 2009/10. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icies.html'" Interesting, but also interesting to note that: [i"Large majorities dismissed two of the BNP's most hardline ideas. Some 68 per cent refused to support the stance that non-white British citizens are inherently less British than white people. And 52 per cent were opposed to encouraging immigrants and their families to leave Britain."[/i And also that: [i"The poll was carried out for Sky News..."[/i And that it wasn't the same people asked in each case, rather: [i"Around 900 people were asked if they supported policies without any mention of the BNP, while 941 were told that they were BNP commitments."[/i

Quote ="The Video Ref"It was some time ago. The best I can find it a link to the Wail in 2006, which carries a similar story and may or may not be the one I read originally. I seem to recall this story repeating around 2009/10. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icies.html'" Interesting, but also interesting to note that: [i"Large majorities dismissed two of the BNP's most hardline ideas. Some 68 per cent refused to support the stance that non-white British citizens are inherently less British than white people. And 52 per cent were opposed to encouraging immigrants and their families to leave Britain."[/i And also that: [i"The poll was carried out for Sky News..."[/i And that it wasn't the same people asked in each case, rather: [i"Around 900 people were asked if they supported policies without any mention of the BNP, while 941 were told that they were BNP commitments."[/i

They're not doing anything, other than turning up. Going to the gym is very different from training or exercising in a gym.


Exercise doesn't make you smell. Sweat doesn't smell unless it's exposed to bacteria for a period of time.

[url=http://cdn.yougov.com/today_uk_import/YG-Archives-pol-skynews-BNP-060425.pdfLink to the survey (pdf).[/url

The thing with just asking someone a question

Do you agree with x policy is flawed though without knowing which party is behind it, it goes to the intent of the policy.

If both Labour and the BNP ask that question, the outcome is the same granted but the motive behind the BNP would be racially motivated whereas the Labour one could be coming from the angle of overstretched services or employment. The motive is everything, i'd back the policy if it was for the right reason but not if it was for the wrong one.
People who vote against good ideas purely because they are not the party they always vote for are also prevalent, never understood that thinking.

Ah ... well ... you see, it's only a "nanny state" initiative when it threatens profits or makes "me" do or stop doing something.
When it's someone else, it's fine.

HI mate, still cant do long walks, 4.5/5 miles is my limit now however i can cycle 12 miles ,strange but true, so she jogs the 12 miles with us when we get the bikes out(not that often lately though TBH)the staff at the gym are great and dont let me do too much too soon.
hope you doing better and you and yours and the dogs are well.

On the general subject – [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20914685some breakfast cereals, specifically marketed at children, have MORE than 30% sugar?[/url

WTF?

Cereals are shîte anyway, but they are, generally speaking, marketed as and considered to be a healthy breakfast. I knew it was difficult to find a cereal without added sugar and salt – there are very rare exceptions – but such figures are absolutely crazy.

I also know – because I bother to examine ingredients when buying anything that has them – that ingredients are listed in order of amount in the finished item. But more than 30% of a product – and one that's aimed at children?

That's a f**king joke. Even I wouldn't have guessed there was such vast amounts in any cereal.

Lets name a specific brand - Frosties.

Try eating a supermarkets own brand of cornflakes and because they are cut right down to a specific price band you'll find a fairly bland product that goes soggy quickly in milk and has all the consistency of eating thin cardboard.

Now pour yourself a bowl of Frosties, I can barely bring myself to eat them on the rare occasions that I do, they taste so badly of saccharin that that is all you taste, they may not go soggy so quickly but thats because they have an emulsion of an artificial sweetener on them which leaves an aftertaste that lasts for hours.

I was speaking to a client of mine at work just yesterday and afterwards wondered what it was they did for a living, they manufacture wheat biscuits, granola and muesli which is sold through various supermarket own brands, seems to be quite a
"whole" product so I may have to give them a try.

My mother used to give us Cornflakes or Rice Crispies for breakfast. That, a piece of toast and a glass of milk. So what would be considered a 'sensible' breakfast, certainly back in the '60s and '70s. But she'd never have Frosties or the Crispies with added sugar – precisely because of the sugar. But I doubt she really considered the sugar that was in the ordinary version anyway.

I think cereals are dire. These days, I have a couple of soft-boiled eggs or an omelette; sometimes a kipper. Far better – tastewise too.

But I do buy cereals for tb – and it's a mare trying to find ones that do not have sugar (and salt) in them. Even many of the muselis and similar cereals, which really are marketed as healthy, have loads of sugar.

The marketing is extraordinary: look at yogurts that are marketed as 'low fat' – in other words, 'look, this is healthy', yet there'll be sugar in that too. And high fructose corn syrup is in so much, in items that people are not likely to expect – as the glaze on a pizza base, for instance. Well who looks at a pizza and expects masses of sugar in it? So you've got this vast amount of sugar that nobody expects, even when they're making an effort to eat reasonably healthily.

I'd avoid most 'granola' products if I were you, being a North American thing it tends to be absolutely full of sugar. Awful stuff. Eating in the USA is a fricking nightmare if you want to avoid sugar, and that is continuing to spread over here.

In the days when I worked 9-5 I always had a bowl of muesli to start the day - oats, nuts, seeds, big juicy chunks of dried fruit, and I'd normally mix some of the wife's bran flakes in there and perhaps some other fruit on top - a banana, apple, strawberries, blueberries, maybe even a dose of Greek yoghurt. Whatever. Lovely.

But the problem was in amongst the couple of dozen 'healthy' muesli products, only one or two had zero sugar - almost every one had had sugar chucked in, often the second or third highest content ingredient. I think Jordan's Natural Muesli was my preferred option.

Why parents think starting your kids off on a massive sugar rush (and subsequent comedown) is a good idea, I'll never know.

Same as Mintball, I tend to go for eggs these days - poached is my preference.

I have cornflakes. Failing that, Weetabix/fruit crunch/ crunchy nut cornflakes / shredded wheat/ Cheerios / Dorset cereal. Sometimes, at weekends, I have a cooked breakfast too.

Oh yes, Crunchy Nut Cornflakes - definitely a guilty pleasure, but not something anyone should eat every day. We only ever had it at Xmas as kids. Otherwise it was Shredded Wheat, Weetabix or Corn Flakes. Or toast.

Two of which contain sugar.

Cornflakes:

Maize, Sugar, Barley Malt Flavouring, Salt, Glucose Fructose Syrup, Niacin, Iron, Vitamin B6, Riboflavin (B2), Thiamin (B1), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12.

Shredded Wheat:

British Whole Grain Wheat (100%)

Weetabix:

Wholegrain Wheat (95%), Malted Barley Extract, Sugar, Salt, Niacin, Iron, Thiamin (B1), Riboflavin (B2), Folic Acid.

As a comparison:

Frosties:

Maize, Sugar, Malt Flavouring, Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Glucose-Fructose Syrup, Niacin, Iron, Vitamin B6, Riboflavin (B2), Thiamin (B1), Folic Acid, Vitamin B12.

Neither Kellogg's product gives an indication of the amount of sugar as a percentage of the product. And indeed, both not only contain sugar, but also glucose fructose syrup – and that's the biggest demon of the lot. With the Weetabix, the maximum it could be would be under 5%, you can work that out.

Oh I know, but they're still some of the better options.

(sugar content per 40g serving):
Kellogg's Coco Pops - 14.8g
Kellogg's Crunchy Nut Cornflakes - 13.6g
Kellogg's Coco Rocks - 12.8g
Weetabix Minis Chocolate Crisp - 11.3g
Nestle Cheerios - 8.6g
Kellogg's Special K - 6.8g
Nestle Shreddies - 6.2g
Kellogg's Rice Krispies - 4g
Kellogg's Cornflakes - 3.2g

In mentioning Special K, you've perfectly illustrated how so many foods that are specifically marketed as 'healthy' – even as aids to weight loss – are anything but.

It's the same with yogurts that are specifically marketed as 'low fat' – yet contain sugar.

Yet they get away with telling such lies and people get blamed because they believe that that bowl of Special K, say, is a sensible, healthy option.

As I said, it's a kipper for me these days, or eggs for breakfast. And they do leave you feeling sated until lunch, even though we have, in effect, been educated to imagine otherwise.

Just looking again at those figures – do you know if they include the glucose fructose syrup or is it just the 'sugar sugar'?

Not to excuse products that are really high in sugar but the whole point of break fast is to give the body a boost to start they day, to break the overnight fast. The small amounts of sugar in things like weetabix and cornflakes (and don't forget the sugars in milk in the form of lactose) would not be an issue if we had an active day, what many of us do is eat go to work and have a largely sedimentary job.

Try (if you haven't already) Jordans Natural Muesli. The only sugars it contains are those naturally occurring in the sultanas, and it has no added salt.

The amount of sugar might appear small, but as I mentioned, does that include the fructose syrup?

As I mentioned, I find a kipper or a couple of eggs does me fine: doesn't leave me feeling bloated, but fills me up until lunchtime.



Then a dietician might point out that dried fruits are very high in sugar. There's a reason that diabetic clinics advise against consuming fruit juice.

And I can make and eat an omelette in half the time it takes to crunch through a bowl of that.



It's worth noting that the world's two biggest consumers of breakfast cereals are the UK and US – and both have massive obesity problems. Obviously the one is not the sole cause of the other, but it could well be a contributory factor, together with the demonisation of natural fats in both countries, and their replacement with artificial fats, and with 'low-fat' foods that contain sugar (yogurt etc).

Sugars, like fats, are not bad in and of themselves. If eaten in the right quantities and at the right times, they can be quite beneficial. The amount of sugar contained in the few sultanas you'd get in a bowl of that particular muesli is negligible anyway, and the fact that the rest of the ingredients are low GI would mean that the overall carbohydrate content of the stuff would be released steadily over a period of time.

If you [iprefer[/i an omelette, fine, but it'll be no healthier.

[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/Escape-Diet-Trap-John-Briffa/dp/0007447760/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357402780&sr=8-1This bloke would beg to differ.[/url

[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Diet-Delusion-Gary-Taubes/dp/0091924286/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1357402819&sr=8-3And this one.[/url

[url=http://www.zoeharcombe.com/And another one.[/url

They're just links to Amazon and a short article - they don't give any insight as to the author's opinion on whether Jordan's Natural Muesli is as healthy, more healthy or less healthy than your omelette.

Anyone who says that [url=http://www.jordanscereals.co.uk/products/cereals/muesli/natural-muesli/this[/url is unhealthy is talking out of their bottom.

A nice sweet healthy breakfast, Porridge Oats cooked in water then add a bit of pure maple syrup.

Briffa is a UK GP, who has been treating patients with weight issues for some years. Taubes is a US science writer who seems to have a good reputation. Harcombe is a UK food campaigner who has been researching and writing about obesity and the causes of obesity for some considerable time.

All of them agree that starchy carbs are not the best foods for humans to eat – most certainly not in terms of weight control/loss.

But we're not talking about 'starchy carbs' here, we're talking about a natural, wholegrain food, which has no added sugar, salt or anything else, for that matter. Wholegrains are almost universally agreed to be beneficial for a healthy heart, and the product's fibre content alone makes it an excellent choice.

A quick google search threw [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/648199.stmthis[/url up.