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| Quote ="Scooter Nik"Rebekah and Charlie Brooks in court today too.
It could be an entertaining day all round really.'"
And she and five others have been sent for trial.
So let's all be extremely careful about what we say now.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Yeah 2 ex-Pm's have now by their evidence accused Rupert of telling lies.
Now if it had just been Brown V Murdoch he would get away with it as it is one against the other but 2 have now pretty much stated that under oath Rupert isn't being honest.
I belive that is perjury (under oath) Rupert and will get you in rather how water (Although i'm not sure how it is punishable in this case).
Edit-Although to be honest they don't agree with each other (Major v Brown) either.'"
Not sure all Gordon Brown's evidence was that credible though in that part of it seems to have been contradicted by Sir John and just about every other politician and journalist there is.
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| Quote ="Dally"Not sure all Gordon Brown's evidence was that credible though in that part of it seems to have been contradicted by Sir John and just about every other politician and journalist there is.'"
The problem for Brown is that he tried to put over that he wasn't that upset by actions of The Sun and that he remained calm all the time. He'd have been better off admitting he was angry at them for plenty of things and for the manner of their switching support.
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| Quote ="Him"The problem for Brown is that he tried to put over that he wasn't that upset by actions of The Sun and that he remained calm all the time. He'd have been better off admitting he was angry at them for plenty of things and for the manner of their switching support.'"
I think his basic problem was that, although nearly everyone would accept his right to be absolutely furious over the disclosure of his son's illness, his subsequent attempts to stay in Brooks' good books doesnt do him any favours. That line about Sarah being very forgiving was about as nauseating as anything said at the hearings.
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| Quote ="Him"The problem for Brown is that he tried to put over that he wasn't that upset by actions of The Sun and that he remained calm all the time. He'd have been better off admitting he was angry at them for plenty of things and for the manner of their switching support.'"
Indeed even Leveson himself said that if had been him he would have been very angry.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"As I said, Robert Jay is an onion peeler, there'll be no quick kills in this enquiry but the damage will be done when he's finally peeled back all the layers of bull[is[/ihit, lies and spin.
This could well end up being Camoron's very own Watergate'"
It certainly seemed at the time that Nixon had got away with Watergate - it took two years for the whole story to finally bring him down. However, politicians these days presumably have learned from Nixon's mistakes. I can't see there being any real evidence of skuldugery no matter how much has taken place. For one thing this government haven't been in long enough to get careless. That's how Hamilton, Aitken and Archer were caught - they'd been in so long that they thought they could do anything and get away with it. After all even Thatch herself got away with manipulating contracts to benefit the boy Mark. Hamilton had got away with some bad behaviour in the mid eighties. The Beeb had witnesses to it but these witnesses were leaned upon by Tebbitt and as a result Alistair Milne Director General of the Beeb lost his job.
Hunt is brass faced enough to deny any wrongdoing presumably because he knows that there's no way of proving it.
Osbourne is another serial offender. There's quite an interesting item in today's "Eye" about him and a Telegraph journo.
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| On his way to Leveson this morning
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| What do you you think RB meant when she communicated to the PM that they were in it together?
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| That they were in the same ideological group, looking to promote the same aims.
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| Quote ="Mintball"That they were in the same ideological group, looking to promote the same aims.'"
Playing it with an awfully straight bat there I see minty
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| Oh my lord this gets funnier.
Cameron comes back and now he has info that his wife keeps a diary and they met the Brooks only about once every 6 weeks.
Exactly who is he trying to kid here?
A very interesting point from Glen Oglaza (on twitter) that being 'will she ever publish?'
I bet not and that diary will be unfortunately 'lost'
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"Oh my lord this gets funnier.
Cameron comes back and now he has info that his wife keeps a diary and they met the Brooks only about once every 6 weeks.
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That may well be true, especially when you consider the wording
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| Quote ="cod'ead"That may well be true, especially when you consider the wording
i.e. they met, as two couples, only about once every 6 weeks'"
Fair point.
Cameron is coming out if this looking like a liar IMHO.
Now he is saying that apparently he just happened to have 'forgotten' about the memo Hunt sent him when he gave him the SKY job.
Although Jay may not land the killer blow I doubt anyone will be able to believe a word that comes out of Cameron's mouth in the future.
That plus he may have other question to answer when the Brooks case goes to trial.
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| Quote ="Anakin Skywalker"
That plus he may have other question to answer when the Brooks case goes to trial.'"
This is why Jay has often appeared stunted in his questioning of certain participants. A number have people have been charged and many more are still under arrest, pending further enquiries, this has had an effect on the questions and the areas of enquiry that Jay can follow.
It may appear that some seem to have got off lightly, I seriously doubt that the participants themselves feel the same way. This whole saga has still, very much got legs.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"That may well be true, especially when you consider the wording
i.e. they met, as two couples, only about once every 6 weeks'"
I've really good friends that my wife and I don't see that often. "Just how close" then?
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| Cameron stated today that the Tories had no pro Murdoch agenda. How does he explain that when James Murdoch made speech to the Edinburgh Television Festival in 2009 calling for the shrinking of the BBC and the limiting of Offcom's power, both he and Hunt made similar speech almost immediately afterwards? How does he explain that almost the first act of Hunt when coming to power in 2010 was to tell the BBC it would have to take a 16% cut in its budget, and gave them 48 hours to come up with some proposals? Exactly what the Murdochs had been calling for.
The question is how interested are the general public in what's going on? I'm interested but then I'm interested in politics - but most people aren't. e.g the woman on The Chase tonight when asked whether there'd been more Labour, Tory or Liberal PM's in the twentieth century got the answer wrong. I'd have thought anyone who was only moderately aware of politics would have known that but she didn't. Is she typical? And if she is is all this Levison stuff going over most people's heads?
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| Quote ="major hound"And if she is is all this Levison stuff going over most people's heads?'"
Yes Joe Public doesn't care.
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| I think a lot has got to do with people forgetting the reasons for setting up Leveson in the first place. It is to establish the culture, practice and ethics of the British press. Once these have been established, Leveson will then make recommendations of how to tackle any shortcomings.
Those who have been anticipating new revelations of any whiffs of scandal will be disappointed. What it has shown so far is that those involved: press, newspaper proprietors, politicians etc, although they may or may not have lied under oath, have certainly been more than economic with the facts and collectively seem to have a memory shortfall to a greater or lesser degree. So much so that I sincerely hope Andrew Lansley has got a few quid stuffed away somewhere because it looks like Altzheimers will reach epidemic proportions, if Leveson is anything to go by.
The real scandals and I am in no doubt that there will be some very real scandals, will start to be made public once Leveson has finished and Operations Weeting, Elvedon and Tuleta see more people appearing before the courts. This whole exercise has the potential to be as damaging to the current establishment as the Profumo affair was in the 1960s
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| I entirely agree Cod'ead, the difference being that in the sixties people were shocked that their leaders may only be human after all.
These days, we don't even expect that much out of them.
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| [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/22/rebekah-brooks-southwark-hearing_n_1617941.html?utm_hp_ref=twBrooks and her old man back in court today[/url
And just when you thought it was safe, we are now faced with [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/19/rebekah-brooks-movie-announced_n_1529374.html?1340357539&just_reloaded=1Rebekah - The Movie[/url
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| Quote ="cod'ead"[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/22/rebekah-brooks-southwark-hearing_n_1617941.html?utm_hp_ref=twBrooks and her old man back in court today[/url
And just when you thought it was safe, we are now faced with [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/19/rebekah-brooks-movie-announced_n_1529374.html?1340357539&just_reloaded=1Rebekah - The Movie[/url'"
On a slightly related note I've been thinking for a while that some of this lot will be prime candidates for PR rehabilitation by reality TV when the dust finally settles.
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| Quote ="Keith"On a slightly related note I've been thinking for a while that some of this lot will be prime candidates for PR rehabilitation by reality TV when the dust finally settles.'"
Wonder what price Rebekah has negotiated for her book deal? That alone will set her up for several lives.
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| Quote ="rhino phil"lets hope its a prison diary then.'"
Her brief has already complained that she is being tried by internet and the judge has promised to look into what can be done to curb any comments that may prejudice a fair trial.
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| Mulcaire's fooked.
[url=http://www.supremecourt.gov.uk/docs/UKSC_2012_0038_ps.pdfMulcaire loses appeal over naming who instructed him to hack phone messages[/url
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